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Sometimes the church is spoken about in terms of the "invisible church" and the "visible church". The invisible church basically means the community or collection of true believers in Jesus regardless of denominational affiliation. The term visible church is used to refer to the physical countable members or leaders that make up a church or group of churches. In roman catholic  Protestant churches, especially those with [[Baptist]] leanings in theology, tend to emphasize the invisible church, whereas the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches have often emphasized the visible church. For example, according to Roman Catholic doctrine , the invisible and the visible church are both identified although in the Roman Catholic Church, but it is admitted also noted that elements of the invisible church are present outside the visible (i.e. the Roman Catholic) church.<ref>cf. [[Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]]: [http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine of the Church], 2007, second and third question.</ref>