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I agree with AmericanCatholic
=== Historical note about selling indulgences ===
-- Very respectfully, AmericanCatholic
:I agree with AmericanCatholic's point... First, the Church was certainly not "selling forgiveness". Technically, ''some'' corrupt clergymen were selling ''indulgences'', not forgiveness. An "indulgence" is when the Church, through the infinite merits of Jesus, grants a remittance from the ''temporal punishment'' due to a sin, the ''guilt of which has '''already''' been forgiven.'' In order to gain an indulgence for a sin, the sin must already be forgiven. An indulgence applies to the concept of Purgatory, not our eternal salvation. Second, the Church claims infallibility ''only'' in certain of its teachings, ''never'' its actions. The Church is, as AmericanCatholic pointed out, full of sinners too who sometimes make mistakes. I'm going to write an essay on Faith Plus Works (God willing), so I won't go into the finer points of Grove's arguments right now -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 20:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
