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:Yep. "What doth it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but have not works? ''can that faith save him?''" And also, "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?" Luther tried to remove the Book of James from his German Bible translation - in the end, though, he couldn't justify it, so he stuck the epistle in his appendix instead. However, Luther ''did'' remove the deuterocanon from the Bible, because the Jews decided (long after Jesus came) not to include it in their canon. Apparently, even though the reformers claimed the Bible is the sole authority ("Sola Scriptura"), they felt like they had the authority to say what the Bible is! :P -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 08:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you for your comments. I guess if the great religious thinkers on both sides haven't been able to resolve the issue and come to an agreement, then we'll not either. My own view is that James 2 and other similar passagess passages are talking about how real faith results in a transformed life with holy and righteous living. Thus if someone becomes a Christian and doesn't gradually change to become more obedient to God with time, then that person probably doesn't really believe what he says he does - i.e. he doesn't have a genuine faith. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 20:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC) ::A lot of Protestant Christians (especially those who believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved", or "Perseverance of the Saints") see justification as a momentary event that doesn't need to be preserved (i.e., it can't be lost no matter what). Other Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe that justification ''can'' be lost through unrepented, serious sin. Thus, these Christians hold that to be saved a person must be justified on earth, and then retain that justification until death. It's when you die that counts... If you're not "in a state of grace" when you die, then no matter what you did during your lifetime, it doesn't matter. Anyways, I agree with Graham; true faith is working, transforming faith. Anything else is dead and lifeless, and cannot save anyone. The thief on the cross was saved because he not only had faith but also a "change of heart." -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 06:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
