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[[User:Muser]] 23 July
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Politicians are known to lie, they are awful liars and they enjoy making money out of wars and death. It is ok for themselves to be Christians, but to use Christianity within the Right to me is abominable. If you people can find an honest politician who follows the Christian religion and uses it in politics as a real benefit then please give me his name.
[[User:Draig goch20|Draig goch20]] 17:35, 12 Aug 2005 (PDT)
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Your argument doesn't make any sense at all. It's not just politicians that lie. Ordinary people lie too. And to say politicans are worse liars than Satan is absurd - how can anyone begin to argue against these sort of ridiculous statements?! Graham
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I do not think that the American way of church and state separation (which is, BTW not the only way of separation of church and state, France does it as consequently but in a very different manner) is the only real or possible way.
I come from the Swiss Reformed tradition, and there it has since the reformation been firmly agreed upon that the church corrects the state (e.g. misbehaving politicians) and the state corrects the church (e.g. misbehaving priests) and this worked pretty well (actually the Swiss reformation could not have taken place, otherwise). Reformers [[John Calvin]] and [[Huldrych Zwingli]] had no state office but were both very active in politics and Zwingli's successor [[Heinrich Bullinger]] when elected into office by state officials, made a stipulation before taking up his office, that he'd be free to criticize the state (and its officials) from the pulpit. In the Reformed Church of Berne such mutual critique of church and state has been part of the constituency until the 20th century. --[[User:Irmgard|Irmgard]] 04:38, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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