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Hello. I'm not much of Greek scholar, and unfortunately I don't know any Hebrew, so the argument above has been lost on me. Although I don't understand the argument I can see that there is too much emotion in the argument and I'd like to propose we add a little bit of grace into this discussion. If User:Koinedoctor feels that there are further notes about the alphabet that would be helpful, then why not create a page like [[Koine Greek: Alphabet - Further Details]] or something similar. How does that sound? Although I would probably be hard pressed to easily translate the words of Peter, luckily someone has already translated them into English for me - ''1 Peter 4:7-9 - The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.'' Cheers. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 12:45, 3 February 2009 (PST)
: A nice verse, and I would hope that both Aquatiki and Koinedoctor are both appreciatively covered. Well, my primary purpose is to encourage Christian youth interested in biblical studies to go for gold. They are dedicating their lives to a Greek literature, yes God's Word, and a Hebrew literature, fully God's Word. They might only find out after a PhD that the language side of the 'gold' that they imagined needs a special track beyond what was in the status quo. (PS: I've only met a couple of Biblical Hebrew professors who became fluent in Hebrew after their PhD--out of more than a thousand.) - - For Hebrew, one could add a note that some of these sounds are different from any European language though they are still partially in use in Israel. If they wish to internalize the language and think in it, they will want to pick up those sounds, too. On Greek, one can note that historically speaking, the Greek language after Alexander the Great went through changes, including major changes in pronunciation, that are different 'from the above'. The changes affected the spelling of all of our manuscripts of the New Testament and presumably the writers. The Greek of New Testament times was already 75-80% along the way toward modern pronunciation. - Notes like these would be enough to plant a seed for whoever has the ears or calling from the Lord. It is what I would want of a Christian site and what I would hope to find if I were a teenager or young adult who landed here. --[[User:Koinedoctor|Koinedoctor]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (PST)
[[Category:WikiChristian]]
==New Idea==
What does everyone think about including the Deuterocanon (known as the ''[[Apocrypha]]'' to Protestants) in the Bible section on WikiChristian? (or maybe a new section altogether?) The deutero is accepted as the inspired Word of God by over half of all professing Christians, so I think it's unfair to leave them completely out. Thoughts? :) -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 08:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
: I'm for it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]] <sub>~[[User_talk:Darth Stabro|(Talk)]]</sub> 09:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
: It's a good thought that inevitably is going to come up from time to time, but, paradoxically I both disagree and agree to a certain extent. There already is some information about the Deuterocanon in the Bible section. You can edit it and add information if you like. The major difficulty is that different denominations have different books that they consider Scripture. Protestants have 66 books they consider Scripture; the Roman Catholic Church has around 10 additional books included in Scripture; the Eastern Orthodox Church has around 15 additional books in its Scripture and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has around 20 additional books. Thus we made the decision early in WikiChristian's history that only the 66 books that are considered part of the canon by all denominations would be taken as the Bible. That's not to say that we shouldn't write about the views of various denominations about which books are part of the Bible and which are not. So, yes I think it is good to talk about the Deuterocanon in the Bible section and talk about the views of different denominations regarding it, but, no, I am not in favour of putting the Deuterocanoniacal texts in the Bible name-spare (I think they need to stay in the Text name-space - see [[WikiChristian:Bible]]) and no, I am not in favour of changing the [[WikiChristian:Statement of Faith]] that states that the Bible "contents are every book of the Protestant canon (at least)." Anyway, that's my two-cents. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 19:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
: I'm for it. Use the Bible name space to present the broadest accepted canon, and add pages that describe the variations. Each page showing text from disputed books can include a disclaimer to the effect that "Not all Christians include this book in the Bible. See _whatever_ for clarification." I believe that inclusivity in that regard will encourage wider participation, and hence make WikiChristian a larger and more active community. [[User:MatthewClarke|Matt]] 04:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think both Graham and Matt have good points... But personally (and that's just personally), I would like Matt's idea to be implemented. The problem with leaving the deuterocanonical writings in the "Text" name-space is that when Christians of either the Catholic or Orthodox branches go to look for their Scriptures they'll almost assuredly try typing something like "Bible:Judith" in the search bar, which will of course just lead them to a blank page. They'll then assume that WikiChristian only caters to/supports Protestantism and they'll leave the site. Even if everyone's against the disclaimer idea, I still think that we could at least upload the whole Deuterocanon (both the Catholic and Orthodox books) and simply create a redirect page in the Bible name-space leading to the Text name-space. On a side note, I think Graham's right when he says the Statement of Faith doesn't need to be changed. -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 06:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I like Justin's compromise idea a lot of uploading the Deuterocanon into the Text namespace and then redirecting Bible:... namespace to the Text:.... namespace. I think it's also important to hear Prab's view before we make any changes regarding this. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 15:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree, Prab should definitely have a say in what we do regarding this. -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 19:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
==Something has changed in the templates==
I see a few page layout problems today:
* InfoBoxes don't have a border
* Tables don't have borders
* The left pane has two search controls (the first of which is inoperable)
Anyone know why? Can anyone fix it?
[[User:MatthewClarke|Matt]] 05:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:In [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] evrything seems to be ok.... as far as the search thingy... and I'll look into the borders...~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]] <sub>~[[User_talk:Darth Stabro|(Talk)]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|(contribs)]]</sup> 06:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The duplicated search control has now gone. Thanks. But any news on the table borders? As you know, I've been working on [[Biblical_references_to_technology]] for a while, and it is very difficult to scan now that there is no line between rows and that the vertical alignment is middle rather than top. [[User:MatthewClarke|Matt]] 04:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
==Testing Daily Devotion Template==
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