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User:Aquatiki

2009-09-05T00:39:47Z

Aquatiki:

<div style="background-color: pink; text-align:center">This admin is away at seminary and doesn't have time for much!</div>

My name is Robert Murphy and I have known God for 13 years. I am 31 years old, married and the father of two children. I was saved with Lutherans, discipled by Pentecostals and came around to a Reformed/Presbyterian theology about five years ago. I am currently involved with a church-plant of my mother church [http://www.faithtacoma.org Faith Presbyterian Church] of Tacoma, Washington State, U.S.A. I created the website [[ReformedWord]] about a year ago and have attracted ''no'' serious followers! Graham has persuaded me to come over here, and in the spirit of Ecumenicity, I have agreed! I am interested in helping with technical things mostly, as I have already fought most of those battles. Templates, C.S.S., P.H.P., extensions, etc. are all old hats to me.

== Log ==
While MediaWiki provides functionality to [[Special:Contributions/Aquatiki|see all my edits]] here, I also want to be transparent about what I do behind the scenes. Please see [[User:Aquatiki/Log]] for a detailed diary of my server activities.

== Bot ==
I run [[User:BotUm]], which is simply [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot pywikipedia]. Any concerns of its behavior should be addressed to me.

== To Do List ==
* [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Web_verse]]

User talk:Aquatiki

2009-09-05T00:38:17Z

Aquatiki: /* Romans 14 */ not as easy as you might think

Hi. Welcome. It's fantastic to see you here to help. Thanks! By the way I've tried to make you a sysop and bureaucrat. I sort of got mixed up. I hope it worked. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 22:58, 16 July 2008 (PDT)
: Yeah, it worked. I have to say, I think that's a bit ''much'' authority out of the gate. I'll try not to abuse my position! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 04:34, 17 July 2008 (PDT)
:: Being not the most technical person and not knowing exactly how much access you need to work your magic, I thought I'd better give you full authority. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 11:15, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

Hi Robert,

See the answer to your question on my userpage. Thanks.

--[[User:Prab|Prab]] 02:21, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

== Greek ==

Hi Robert. Remember how we were talking about having or not having individual pages for each individual word and each inflected form? I thought you might be interested at taking a look at wiktionary, where it seems that is exactly how they are doing it. For example, take a look at logos:
* [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%82 logos]
* [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%85 logou]
* [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%B9 logoi]
Cheers. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:34, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

: And with all the vast resources (I'm not being sarcastic) of the Wikipedia/Wiktionary community, they've made 128 of them (click on the category). The GNT alone would require 100000. I still don't think it's a wise plan. :-( --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:42, 18 July 2008 (PDT)
: PS The extension "Character Escapes", that I wrote about on the Village Pump, is the way to insert characters onto an edit page.

:: True, they do have very vast resources (still, I guess they're thinking big). Cool, I look forward to Character Escapes being installed. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:47, 18 July 2008 (PDT)

::: The extensions, Character Escapes and ParserFunctions were [[Special:Version|installed]]. --[[User:Prab|Prab]] 02:20, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

:::: Hey Robert. Prab's happy to give you the access you need to do some further modifications to WikiChristian. Give him an email about it. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 09:47, 23 July 2008 (PDT)

== Project namespace ==
HI Robert (I see that's your name). I was wondering, what should our project namespace be? I personally like just "WikiChristian". Almost all wikis have project namespace that way. God bless you, [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 06:35, 24 July 2008 (PDT)

: Thanks Ryan. I am for "WikiChristian", because as you say, every wiki I've seen does that. I think the previous system of WikiChristian dot org implied that somewhere out there was a WikiChristian dot com or dot net. P.S. Does the † and the "Cross" in you name make you Ryan++? ;-P [[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 06:39, 24 July 2008 (PDT)

::Um, I don't know. Just RyanCross. The actual cross in my sig is just for decor, and it shows a cross because my username has "Cross" i it. ;) Anyway, if the project namespace should be "WikiChristian", then why did you do [http://www.wikichristian.org/index.php?title=Help:Contents&curid=48023&diff=342387&oldid=341672 this]. :P Thanks, [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 06:50, 24 July 2008 (PDT)

::: Ah, I see your question. Using <code>Project:</code> is a trick I picked up after learning about [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words Magic words]. I always write <nowiki>{{SITENAME}}</nowiki> instead of WikiChristian and <code>Project:</code> instead of WikiChristian: because if they're ever changed in the future, those links and that name will still display/work correctly. You can see that the links on [[Help:Content]] work now and they will still work if we ever change the wiki variable $wgSitename. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 06:57, 24 July 2008 (PDT)

== Problem with a page ==
Hi again. Is it me, or is there a problem with [[User:RyanCross/Topbar]]? God bless, [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 08:28, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
: Do you need help picking a different color? What would you like help with? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 08:39, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::Well, on my screen, it seems the tabs at the top and the navigation bar on the right seems different from other pages. Can you see it? -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 08:41, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::: OK, I did some work. You had two <code><nowiki><div>'s</nowiki></code> you never closed and about six <code><nowiki>'s</nowiki></code> that never closed. I put everything on separate lines for easier reading. Now what do you think? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 08:52, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::::Yup, it's fixed now. Thank you very much. :) -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 08:53, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
<-- Hehe, now I have another problem with a page. :P It seems [[Special:Emailuser]] isn't working, and it says there's no such page as [[Special:Emailuser]]. Do you know what the problem may be? -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 09:26, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
: I see that. Where did it go?!?! When was the last time you saw it? Maybe it's time to upgrade to mediawiki 1.13... --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 09:33, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::Yup... we need an upgrade. I've never used the email feature here, so I wouldn't know when the last time I saw it... -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 09:36, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::: 'Works on my [http://reformedword.org/Special:EmailUser/Aquatiki my wiki], but I'm not sure what version number that comes with. I've never seen it work here either. Did you just copy stuff from another mediawiki site? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 09:58, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::::Did I copy stuff? No, I just noticed it didn't work. Trust me, I'm bad at installing extensions and features. I just know how to use them. :) -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 10:01, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
<-- Hi there. Is my user page color better than before? -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 13:08, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
: A tiny bit. What about "lightseagreen" or the color of the border? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:12, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::Done. Look again. I think I might try brown. -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 13:33, 24 July 2008 (PDT)
::: Actually, I meant [[User:RyanCross/Topbar|this]] (free free to revert) --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:36, 24 July 2008 (PDT)

==Bible==

Hi Robert. Any further thoughts on the formatting for the Bible pages on WikiChristian? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:44, 28 July 2008 (PDT)
:Sorry, I've been very busy at work and over on [http://www.lyricwiki.org lyricwiki.org]. I've been pestering them for change for months now and no one has listened to me. Now, all of a sudden, the implemented my plan which was only half finished! I've scrambling to catch up. Also, I've hit a snag here trying to make [[Template:Navbox]] work. I'm afraid I may have to mess with the site JavaScript by hand, but I've wanted to avoid that if at all possible. I got collapsible frames to work on ReformedWord, but I can for the life of me remember how! I think I'm through the thick of it over on lyricwiki, so I just need to push through at work and I'll have some time. Hopefully Friday at the latest. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:53, 28 July 2008 (PDT)
::No worries. Take your time. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to pressure you at all. There's absolutely no rush at all with any of this. What a pity about the collapsible frames thing! But, maybe we can organize the page so there is no need for collapsible frames - there are bound to be alternatives. Maybe we could simply display the various translations somewhere down the bottom of the page, perhaps after the "Commentary" or after the "Links". Anyway, just a thought. Good luck with your ongoing work at ReformedWord and lyricswiki. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:26, 28 July 2008 (PDT)

== Friends over ==

Hi Robert. I've just had some friends drop over so I'll be out of action on any discussion for a couple hours. But I'm thinking that a clear picture has emerged. So feel free to get started in earnest if you feel the desire. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 09:25, 2 August 2008 (PDT)
: Thanks for the heads up. Have fun. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 09:26, 2 August 2008 (PDT)

== Collapsibility ==

Collapsibility has returned! You obviously fixed something. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:10, 2 August 2008 (PDT)
: I restored [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]]. What gives??! Those don't even have the collapsibility code in them!!!?! Oh well: ''The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.'' --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 15:12, 2 August 2008 (PDT)

== Vandalism yesterday ==
Just wanted to say good job cleaning up the vandalism yesterday. It was a Grawp attack. I'm right now cleaning up the last pieces. -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 17:55, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
: There's lots to do. Just doing what I can. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 17:56, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
:: What's a Grawp attack?
:: By the way, brilliant work with BotUm. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 22:50, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
::: As you know, I'm a Wikipedian, which means I edit Wikipedia. User:Grawp comes by often to make big hits of vandalism to Wikipedia. What he usually does is move pages to "''Hagger''" or something. You can easily tell he was here because he moved multiple pages to "something, something, Hagger??...". Grawp just happened to attack us this time. Well, anywho, he's gone... for now. All I can tell you from here is that Grawp is not a good person. It'sa good thing Aquatiki was here to cleanup the mess. :) And of course, I finished the mess. :P Keep on the lookout. -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 23:44, 3 August 2008 (PDT)

== My Christian beliefs ==
Hi there. Graham grove suggested I tell my Christian beliefs before I become a bureaucrat, so it can now be seen at [[User:RyanCross/Christian]]. Best, [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 00:13, 4 August 2008 (PDT)
:[http://www.wikichristian.org/index.php?title=User_talk:RyanCross/Christian&diff=344992&oldid=344813 I answered your question]. -- [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 16:54, 4 August 2008 (PDT)

== Random Verse ==

I like the "Random verse" feature. It will be great to click on "Random page" and not get a Bible verse. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:54, 6 August 2008 (PDT)
: Patient, grasshopper. Soon all will be ours! Bwa ha ha ha ha! [http://cientifica.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mad_scientist.gif see pic] --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 14:56, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

== Original texts ==

Now that you've explained the concept of name spaces and the like to me I'm beginning to see there value. Given that one of WikiChristian's functions is to be a library of public domain texts, what do you think about moving all the original texts we have into the "Text" name space. You can see I've moved the text of [[In His Steps]] to [[Text:In His Steps]]. We also have, from memory, various early letters and apologetics works, some of the Book of Common Prayer, a few fiction books such as Pilgrim's Progress. I'm going to go ahead and move a few of them into the Text name space. There aren't many and so if you and others don't think it is a good idea, or have a better idea or a better name space name, then we can quickly change it... By the way, I found after much searching, a verse in John where the Greek didn't work quite right - see the discussion on my talk page for the link. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 11:52, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

If you reckon the idea above is a good one and since I've never made changes to the LocalSettings.php, would you be able to at some stage create the custom namespace "Text" (or whatever alternative you think is a good name)? Thanks Robert. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:02, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

: Uh oh: I've created a monster! No, just kidding. Anyway, I'd be happy to add the namespace, but I should warn you: DON'T MOVE STUFF THERE YET! In fact, you'll need to move the stuff you've done back. The reason is that right now, those pages are in the MAIN namespace called Text:Blah. But if I created the Text namespace, it will go looking in there for anything that begins with Text:, but they're not there. The will be lost in limbo. That is what happened when I "fixed" the whole WikiChristian vs WikiChristian.org thing. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:58, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

:: Thanks for the warning. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:59, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

== [[Special:Uncategorizedtemplates]] ==

I've gone through the above and now there are only Bible verse templates (Mostly WEB and a few Greek NT) so that when Bot Um has finished its job you can delete the above Category. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 02:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hope you've slept well ==

Hi Robert. I hope that you've had a nice chance to rest and catch up on sleep. Just a query - Um seems to have done most of Genesis but stopped (he hasn't done Greek or Hebrew or the deletes and redirects but has done everything else). Does he just do things in spurts? How does it all work? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:26, 9 August 2008 (PDT)

: Thanks, I'm back with the living. I could've turned the bot loose on it all, but I wanted to hand start things in case I needed to go back and change things (like I did with the Greek of John). He's doing the Hebrew right now.
: Here's the scoop on how I do things. I downloaded all the texts from unbound. I put them all in folder and ran my various programs to chop them up into verses. I move individual text files into the BotUm directory and tell it to upload. After Genesis is green lighted, I will just take the remaining text files and concatenate them together. Then I can tell it to just do that one file and it'll take a few days to do per version. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 15:41, 9 August 2008 (PDT)

== Backup ==

Hi Robert. I'm wondering if you think it might be a good idea for one of us to put a backup of WikiChristian's data file on our home computer periodically whilst the Bible is being uploaded so that all your hard work doesn't get lost in the case of a disaster. I'd be happy to do it except I don't know how. If you do know how, feel free to back it up - or if you want me to and you can let me know how, that'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:12, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
:There's a script in the <code>maintainence</code> folder on the server-side. I'll do it this even when I get off of work (10 hours from now). --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 15:50, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

== Welcome back ==

Welcome back Robert. Hope you've had a nice break. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:51, 15 August 2008 (PDT)
: Thanks! I kind of cheated, since I didn't know exactly how long I'd be gone, so I gave BotUm the whole Bible to do, so he wouldn't be sitting idle! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 12:56, 15 August 2008 (PDT)
:: I noticed that. I think that was a great idea. I see that BotUm is still slowly processing away at the Latin Bible. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:58, 15 August 2008 (PDT)

::: Wow. I thought that the Latin importation would never end! Can I request that the WEB translation gets put on next? Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 09:45, 16 August 2008 (PDT)
:::: Sure thing, Can do. Give me 6 hours to get home and fire it up! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 10:36, 16 August 2008 (PDT)
:::: OK, in case I get busy, here's the whole WEB going for you! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 18:17, 16 August 2008 (PDT)

== BotUm stopped ==

Hi Robert. I noticed that with the downtime of the WikiChristian server that your Bot Um seems to have stopped. He's been doing a great job by the way. When you next get chance do you mind starting him up again. Thanks for your help by the way in getting WikiChristian restarted. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:05, 21 August 2008 (PDT)
: Yeah, it's supposed to automatically retry every hour after a failure. I'll start 'er back up again once I get home (should be about three hours). --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 14:08, 21 August 2008 (PDT)
:: Thanks... Oh, it looks like it's started again. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:26, 21 August 2008 (PDT)

== So far so good with the Bible import ==

Hi Robert. The Bible import seems to be going really well. Looks good so far! I see that you've completed the "Bible" pages, KJV, WEB and Latin. Now just for the Greek and Hebrew and deletions of the old verse pages in the main namespace and their corresponding "(WEB)" templates. By the way, for the parts of Daniel that are in Aramaic, are you just going to put them in the Hebrew namespace or do you think something more accurate and fancy should be done for them? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 03:34, 27 August 2008 (PDT)
: I'm at my in-laws tonight, but I will be home in 22 hours and start the next one then. Yeah, I think everything is going quite well. Since you aren't making links on the Hebrew text, I say you definitely just stick Daniel,Ezra and all Aramaic text in the Hebrew namespace. What I'm doing on ReformedWord (since Aramaic words are spelled the same as Hebrew a lot), it adding the prefix Aramaic: ''within the Hebrew namespace'' for Aramaic words. But I don't think that applies here. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 04:33, 27 August 2008 (PDT)

== Error noticed ==

Hi Robert. I clicked on "Random Verse" and happened to be directed to [[Bible:Philippians 4:3]]. I noticed that its Hebrew text had the words: "Hebrew 4:3" inserted at the beginning. I've since deleted this. I suspect you might need to get BotUm to eventually go through and remove this from pretty much every single Hebrew verse. Anyway, no rush for it to be done. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:23, 30 August 2008 (PDT)

: Actually, this "Hebrew" insetion only seems to have occurred in some books but not others. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:25, 30 August 2008 (PDT)
::AAAHH!! I forgot one line in the program! Argh. Fixing. :-( --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 16:36, 30 August 2008 (PDT)

== Apocrypha and other comments ==

Hi Robert. Well it seems the Bible verses are nearly all uploaded. The Greek verses have taken a long time - there seems to be some funny things happening with many of the verses being written by BotUm and then over-written and then over-written again. But never mind, it's almost there. I'm especially looking forward to the over-writing the mainspace pages with redirects to the Bible name-space.

I guess the next thing after this is Bible chapters. I'm still leaning towards putting them in the main name-space - but I'm very open to putting them in the Bible name-space if you're particularly keen on that. I know that being in the main namespace means that there will be heaps of empty pages for the random page button, but there are two reasons that ultimately counteract that negative. Firstly as WikiChristian grows (hopefully) and starts getting thousands of pages (hopefully) for Christian song, books, and local churches etc, then it will actually be nice to get a Bible chapter every now and then when clicking random page. Secondly, I think that commentaries Bible chapters are something that people will get behind eventually - I certainly plan on writing lots of short commentaries for various chapters once the chapter pages are in place. Have you had any further thoughts?

I've noticed that you've been uploading Apocryphal writings which I think is a really good idea. I see that you've got some ideas about this up and running in [[ReformedWord]]. This is another good reason I reckon to create a "Text" namespace, because that way the Apocryphal books could be placed there similarly to the Bible name-space. I wonder if we need pages for each verse - what do you think? Would it be better to only have pages for each chapter (for for specific verse pages to direct to the appropriate chapter)?

Anyway, thanks for everything you've done so far. You've done invaluable work! Good luck with your ongoing work at ReformedWord too. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:24, 11 September 2008 (PDT)

: Well, I think you may have persuaded me on the chapter thing. Sounds reasonable enough.
: I am still thinking that someday, when I've finished defining all the Greek words used in the old and new testament, I may find someway to port all that over from RW to here. It'd be shame to reinvent the wheel.
: As for the Apocrypha, I think we might as a Catholic's opinion, just to be well rounded. I have a feeling, that since they regard them as fully the Bible two, the might want verse pages. But who knows!
: If you look at what I've done on ReformedWord for the Apostles' Creed, you can see it's heavily influenced by what we've done over here. I am planning on renaming my <code>Bible</code> namespace to <code>English</code>. I plan on putting old versions of things ("and ''sitteth'' at the ... both the ''quick'' and the dead") in the <code>Traditional</code> namespace and new translations in the <code>English</code> namespace.
:--[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:32, 11 September 2008 (PDT)

:: That's very clever how you've done the Apostles' Creed. It makes sense the way you are organizing things over at ReformedWord. Imagine the scope that this sort of system has for organizing all ancient (and not so ancient) texts! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:40, 11 September 2008 (PDT)

::: Thank you very much. I thought a long time about namespace names and I still got it wrong! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:45, 11 September 2008 (PDT)

== Next phase ==

Hi Robert. Wow BotUm has finally finished with the Greek uploading. I guess the next thing is to redirect all the original Bible verse pages and delete all the (WEB) and (Greek) pages? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:04, 13 September 2008 (PDT)
: yeah, the deleting stuff makes me nervous. I think I'll give it a book or two at a time, just to make sure it's not screwing up. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:17, 13 September 2008 (PDT)

:: Well, all of the 1 Book Verse (WEB) have been deleted and it seemed to go well. What's next? Replacing the 1 Book Chapter:Verse pages with #REDIRECTs to their Bible:Book Chapter:Verse counterpart? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 06:00, 14 September 2008 (PDT)

::: You're right. I should just do all the redirect now, so people quit going to the wrong pages. Are you ready? Do you have all your stuff moved to Backup:, like you do? I'm at work for another 6 hours and then I'll go home and start the overwriting. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 06:47, 14 September 2008 (PDT)

:::: Yep, I've backed up everything that I could find. Hope your work has been okay. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 11:30, 14 September 2008 (PDT)

== More deletions ==

Hi Robert - hope you are about to have a great weekend. Good work with uploading every Bible verse and redirecting every Bible verse (at some stage we should work out what to do with the Apocryphal book). The pages that I can figure out that need deletion are the pages that are "Book Chapter:Verse (Greek)", "Book Chapter:Verse (WEB)" and "Template:Book Chapter:Verse". Is it easy to set BotUm to start deleting these? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:11, 19 September 2008 (PDT)
: Weeelllll, yes and no. I've been going to [[Special:Allpages]] and copy-pasting the list into an advanced text editor. I then go over the text with regex to eliminate wanted pages. That's why I've been so slow in deleting: this didn't come up when deleting one book's worth at a time! I'm just trying to be careful and not delete anything I shouldn't. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:05, 19 September 2008 (PDT)
:: Well, it's looking good. I like seeing those pages go. Can't be too many left now! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 20:32, 23 September 2008 (PDT)
::: Yeah, it's coming along. Deleting makes me so nervous! Over on ReformedWord, I have every Greek word used more than 50 times defined. I've made the Latin and Hebrew pages machine formatted, it will just be turning loose the bots. I'm also working on Apocrypha pages too. Did you decided what's best here for those? Any Catholics around to ask? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 21:14, 23 September 2008 (PDT)
:::: You've done really well with the deleting. One difficulty comes in that the canon of scripture is different for so many different churches - the Greek Orthodox are different from the Roman Catholic, who are different from the Coptic Orthodox, who are different again from the Ethiopian Orthodox. So it gets complicated. I think the Bible name-space should be reserved for the 66 agreed books - Protestant, Catholics, Orthodox, Oriental churches all agree on those. For the other apocryphal texts, I think we should put them in the Text namespace once it is created (or do you have a better name for this name-space). Regarding whether or not we do it verse by verse or just for chapters - I'm not particularly fussed. I think individual verses would be fine if that's your preference. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 09:15, 1 October 2008 (PDT)
::::: Yeah, you're right. Have you seen the Ethiopian scripture set?! They have something like 88 ''more'' books, most of which are only existent in Ethiopian. '''Text''' seems like a good namespace name. So would there then be pages like [[Judith 1:1]] which would follow the format of Bible verse pages? Most apocrypha stuff has Greek and Latin but no Hebrew (not even modern renditions). See ReformedWord ''Prayer_of_Azariah_1'' as an example, since I've been working on this over there lately. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:01, 1 October 2008 (PDT)
:::::: The Ethiopians have a big "Bible" don't they! I'm glad you're happy with the ''Text'' name space. Yep, I think pages like [[Judith 1:1]] should redirect to [[Text:Judith 1:1]] which would follow a similar format to the Bible verse pages. I guess it'll get complicated deciding how to display the text itself. Do they all have a KJV? I imagine many of them won't have other translations that we one day may be able to add, such as the ESV and NIV. Do some have Latin translations, but not all? It would be nice to display at a minimum the original language and a modern English translation.
:::::: Also, once the text name space has been created, we should would work out how other texts / public domain books should be named. My preference I think is: "Text:Name of Book - Name of Section" - thus the "... (EBD)" pages would be renamed "Text:Easton's Bible Dictionary - ...". What is your preference? Once we've decided, is it possible to set up BotUm so that he moves all of the "... (EBD)" pages to the appropriate new name. Is it also possible to set up BotUm to delete all the "Mathew Henry Commentary:..." (and "Matthew Henry Commentary:..." - there is a mix, some with correct spelling of Matthew, and others with the incorrect spelling. Or should I delete these manually - there are about 250 pages. Alternatively we could keep them, but I'd vote for deleting them, and at a later date uploading the whole Matthew Henry Commentary in a nicer looking format. Finally, someone uploaded a book called [[God's Word to Women]] a few years ago - it has about 100 Lessons. Would it be possible to get BotUm to move all of these chapters into the appropriate "Text:God's Word to Women:Lesson ..." name? Or should I do that manually? There are a smattering of other smaller texts that have been uploaded over the years that I'll move over manually. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 04:37, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

:::::::# KJV made an appendix with all the texts of the Roman apocrypha. The Vulgate had a similar thing, only in the fifth century. The ASV/NRSV exists as a modern translation for the Roman stuff too.
:::::::# Looks like I need to figure out how to get the bot to move stuff! I haven't done that yet, but I will (after I made the chapter pages.). As far as naming convention, WikiMedia has built in support for naming pages that start with ''Whatever'' followed by a colon (see [[Special:Prefixindex]]), so I recommend (for ease of typing) [[Text:EBD:Example]]. For now, this'll have to be done manually, until I figure out how to do it bot-ly! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 10:11, 3 October 2008 (PDT)

== BotUm making mistakes. ==

I thought you'd like to know that BotUm made 2 mistakes which have now been restored. The mistakes were deletion of [[Ruth (EBD)]] and [[Nahum (EBD)]]. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 12:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks, KW. Graham is all on about me just turning it loose, but especially with deleting, I get real nervous for just this reason. Thanks for spotting those. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 20:47, 30 September 2008 (PDT)

== Back ==

Hi Robert. I'm sorry if I've been a bit silent in the last 2 weeks. I've been at a conference in Darwin and then went holiday to Kakadu with Nicole and Matthew. But I'm back at home now! And ready to keep working on WikiChristian. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 08:00, 1 October 2008 (PDT)
: That's great! How old is you son now? I'm on loan to another ER for another two weeks, but then I'll be back in my element, able to devote more time to geeking out! I think I'll be able to start the chapters going here within a week, but maybe not until then. Glad to hear you're getting some fun in. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 12:50, 1 October 2008 (PDT)

== EBD ==

Hi Robert. Just wondering what you think the best naming convention should be Easton Bible Dictionary pages. See [[Talk:Easton's Bible Dictionary]]. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:58, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

: I noticed that we're occasionally both manually moving EBD pages. Is that our plan - to move them manually? I'm happy with that if that's the easiest way, although it will take a bit of time. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:25, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

:: I'm still trying to figure some bot stuff out ... --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 14:32, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

::: That's cool. I guess we just chug along and move them one by one for the moment. Although this will take a while because, I've done a quick count, and it looks like there are 5,000 Easton Bible Dictionary entries. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:58, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

== Brilliant ==

That's fantastic. Looks exactly right! (The chapter Bible page that is). --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:29, 4 October 2008 (PDT)
: OK. I'll get to programming. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 14:32, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

== BotUm started ==

I see you've programmed your Bot and it has started uploading Genesis. It seems to have stopped at Genesis 49 however and has forgotten Genesis 50? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 15:57, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

: I just wanted to check with you. I'll get it doing the rest of the Bible now. As for moving pages, I will confer with my bot-buddies and get back to you. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 16:00, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

== It looks done to me! ==

Robert, you've done an amazing job getting the Bible uploaded. You deserve a huge thanks. I think we should acknowledge the work you've done by adding small segment called something like "Major developments in WikiChristian's History" into the [[WikiChristian:About]] page. Are you happy for me to do that?

I guess we still have much more organizational work to do with the apocryphal writings, sorting out EBD and other texts and deciding what format we would like for the books of the Bible page. But the bulk of the most important organizational work hs been completed essentially thanks to you! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 23:13, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

:Well, I certainly don't require any thank, let alone public acknowledgment. If you write something, I won't take it down, but its not necessary. I'm still trying to figure out moving pages, but I'm sure I'll get there. Until then, I'll keep hitting random and being productive. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 23:20, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

:: I think from the historical point of view it would be nice to have some record of the work you've done - if WikiChristian ever becomes a well known site then that sort of information deserves to be recorded for posterity (not sure about the spelling of that word). I'll add a small segment. Do you want me to use your computer name "Aquatiki" or your real name? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 23:32, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

:::"Robert Murphy" would be fine. If it's a historical document, I don't want my silly internet handle used! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 23:43, 4 October 2008 (PDT)

== News namespace ==

I know we've got quite a lot of namespaces already. All the same, I'm wondering if another one might be a good idea. If you look at the [[News]] ([[WikiChristian:Current events]]) page there are links to news articles (like in wikinews.org), for example [[Episcopal Bishop Robinson not invited to the 2008 Lambeth Conference (May 24, 2006)]]. These news articles I think should be in their own namespace rather than the main namespace. What do you think about a "News" namespace? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 10:26, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
: Are these stories just copies of the news, or might they get commented on in the ___ (G.G.) style? You want people to stumble (Special:Random) across them, right? There are less than a handful right now? I'm happy to do whatever you say, but you maybe could wait to see if this will be a large number of pages first ... ? Don't discount the use of [[Special:Prefixindex]] and formatting all the pages to News:____, without the creation of a namespace. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 22:29, 8 October 2008 (PDT)

== Clean-up Project ==

Hi Robert. I see you're going great guns on [[ReformedWord]]! Are you learning Latin as you go or have you already studied it? Just a quick note to let you know about a new page I've created [[WikiChristian:Clean-up]]. Is there anything else that you think needs cleaning up on WikiChristian? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:07, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
: An easy way to see what's still using the old format is to see what still links to Template:web_verse, i.e. [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Web_verse]]. Beyond that, I just need to figure out who to move pages! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 22:37, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
: I forgot to reply to your other stuff I am learning Latin and Hebrew as I go.

== A few Bible chapters and verses missing ==

I have noticed that a very small number of Bible chapters and verses do not seem to have been uploaded. I will let you know about them as I come across them. Here is one: [[Romans 14:24]]. --[[User:Cleaner|Cleaner]] 13:21, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
: I don't know of any other gaps, but that one at least is the WEB's fault. They go with a different verse numbering for parts of Romans from anyone else, based off of problems they find in the Greek text. I would just created/fix any problems you find because there's no systemic way to fix them. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 22:39, 8 October 2008 (PDT)

== A smaller wiki ==

I note that your bot deleted a load of pages, taking this Wiki off the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis list of largest wikis]. You might be interested to know that WikiChristian's article on Wikipedia is now [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WikiChristian_(3rd_nomination) likely to be deleted] as a result. - [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] 21:20, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
: It was an uphill battle to keep LyricWiki, with it 700,000 pages, thousands of edits per days by hundreds of users. The English Wikipedia a sinkhole of people who use '''notability''' as a hammer to crush whatever doesn't meet their liking, or simply as an exercise is wielding smash-power. If we had users to call upon, I could see mounting a campaign to keep the page (showing that the pages aren't gone, simply moved) but without legions to enlist, I'm afraid we'd lose. The other languages of Wikipedia aren't so heavy-handed. I'm real sorry to see that page go, but I don't know how we could stop it. Sorry :-( --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 22:49, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
:: Yep. That's life unfortunately. I agree - it does seem that Wikipedia does seem to have so many users who do want to crush whatever they don't like. Oh well, if it goes, it goes. That won't stop this site from being a useful and good site. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 23:13, 8 October 2008 (PDT)
::: Thanks for that nice dose of good attitude. I'm way too bitter and chalked full of hate at Wikipedia for a Christian! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 23:24, 8 October 2008 (PDT)

== WikiChristian:Bible page ==

Hi Robert. I've written a short summary on the [[WikiChristian:Bible]] page. If you get time, would you like to look it over and correct / add as you see fit. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 13:40, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

== EBD deleting ==

Hi Robert. Since there are over 3,000 EBD pages, I've figured out that it will take a long time to move them all. If you, me and KW all moved 10 a day, then in 100 days we'd have them all moved. I'm going to start with the letter M (for no particular reason - purely random) and work from there. If you like to join me and choose another letter, go for it. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 06:47, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
: Is it OK if I just use [[Special:Random]] for a few days at first? (I'm so lazy!) --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 22:48, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
:: No worries. It's kind of fun clicking on Random page isn't it! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 22:57, 17 October 2008 (PDT)

== Greek stuff ==

Hi Robert. I can see your point in moving [[Koine Greek: Purpose]] to [[Greek:Purpose]]. It makes sense. For some reason that I can't quite understand though, I kind of like the Koine Greek lessons about nouns, verbs etc in the main name-space. Weird, hey... --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 13:11, 21 October 2008 (PDT)
: There's certainly no accounting for taste! ;-) I think that most speakers of English are so impoverished (compared to two generations ago) with regard to the basics of grammar that lessons in parts of speech, verb tenses and diagramming sentences are very needful, even on a Christian wiki. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:14, 21 October 2008 (PDT)

== BotUm missed some pages ==

BotUm missed converting some pages to the new format. They can be found here [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Web_verse]], he also imported a non-existent book of the Bible Odes which has now been deleted. If you want to use content from other wikis you can find copyright templates here [[:Category:Copyright templates]]. Its OK with Graham. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 23:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
: Those "Extra" verses come from the fact that the WEB (the free, English Bible translation we uploaded) uses a bizarre mixture of Greek texts to come up with their verse numbers. Those verses can be deleted or whatever! Odes is a book in the Catholic/Greek Bible. I'm working on how to do their extra Bible books (called the Apocrypha) automatically. Thanks for making all the templates. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 00:34, 22 October 2008 (PDT)

::The verses have now been deleted. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 00:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Howdy ==

Hi Robert. Just wanted to say a quick hi and see how life is going for you? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 01:44, 2 November 2008 (PST)

: Hey. I'm good. I've been recruited to play classical guitar at church (we sing hymns, traditional piano/organ style) and it's taken a lot of time to practice. I went back to my old hospital, so I'll have lots more time to work on things. I've been working on getting the hebrew onto RW, 'cause it's nowhere else on the web. Election fever is big here in the States. How are you and all of down under? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 01:50, 2 November 2008 (PST)

:: I'm fine too. Classical guitar! Wow! I play chords on the guitar, so I know how hard classical guitar is. It's kind of fun practicing though. Cool, I'm glad you'll have some time at your hospital. My college year is ending up in two weeks - a few more essays and exams and then I'll be more free too - still have hospital work and church work though, but both are only part time. I've noticed Hebrew is really getting going on RW. It's looking really good. You must be learning a lot. I always thought it looked like a hard language - I mean, no vowels and reading right to left! There was an interesting article on the BBC the other day about some really old (possibly) Hebrew writing being found - it was a pretty short article though. I bet election fever is big. Good luck to whichever man wins and may God use him for the betterment of your country and the world. I think almost all Australians are betting on an Obama win - most of us over here like the idea of a black man as president, plus the Iraq war, which our government supported, was very unpopular here. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see who wins. I'm sure they'll both do a good job though. The weather starting to warm up down this way. Life is generally pretty nice at the moment. Not much is really happening around this part of the world. My son turned 1 a couple months ago and he's now walking, running, falling and kicking balls - lots of fun and lots and lots of energy. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 02:01, 2 November 2008 (PST)

::: Thanks for touching base. Does this mean you will join a practice somewhere? Hebrew is ''extremely'' hard (this from a man who went to high school in Korea, and had to learn the language). It's even worse to do it in mixed English, the left-to-right right-to-left mess is horrible. Obama's gonna make homosexuality and abortion 100 times more normal in America, though I like his oratory. Summer must be nice, it's all rain here in Seattle. My two year old and I answered the door for Halloween: it was fun. My four year old is Autistic and didn't get it. ... time to go find some EBD's! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 02:14, 2 November 2008 (PST)

:::: That'll be very sad if Obama does continue the normalization of abortion and homosexuality. Same thing is happening here, and also by leaders who consider themselves Christian. Sin seems to have dipped off the radar in many senses. But, luckily we're not ultimately called to fight culture that embraces sin; rather we're called to proclaim the good news and let God change the hearts of those who are seeking him. Or at least, that's how I see it. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 03:41, 2 November 2008 (PST)

::::: Yeah, I don't read anything in the Bible about "winning the culture" for Christ, only to hold back sin as much as possible. In the main, I fear the trend, because it's never enough to simply ''allow'' sin: those who are doing it want praise and acclaim from men so they can feel OK about doing what they inwardly know to be wrong. Case in point, gay marriage proponents are never satisfied with merely making it the law of the land. In California, a physician lost his license because he "refused to provide medical treatment" to a lesbian. Since that is how the media is reporting it, you might think he didn't do CPR because the patient was gay; ''he asked not to do IV fertilization on religious grounds'', unaware that she was a lesbian merely thinking her to be unmarried. As an M.D. I'm sure you can appreciate that. I think our children are going to have a much easier time distinguishing between the "Christian Culture" of the West and real Christianity than even we do! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 03:59, 2 November 2008 (PST)

:::::: That's a fascinating story. I can't believe a doctor got in trouble for that. Fortunately that would currently be impossible over here because doctors aren't under any obligation to be involved in any procedure or treatment that they consider immoral. Still, US states have a legal system based in English common law don't they? Thus if it's possible in California, then its' probably possible in South Australia I fear. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 08:55, 2 November 2008 (PST)

::::::: [http://www.nationalpartnership.org/site/News2?abbr=daily2_&page=NewsArticle&id=11463&security=1201&news_iv_ctrl=-1], [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,359041,00.html], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Coast_Women%27s_Care_Medical_Group_v._Superior_Court] '''North Coast Women's Care Medical Group vs. Superior Court''' is a case decided before the California Supreme Court on August 19, 2008, ruling that physicians must offer services to gays and lesbians despite religious objections

== Re:Impressive ==

It's my star sign Taurus the Bull, which means I stick with things to the end. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 23:32, 15 November 2008

==WikiChristian E-newsletter==
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== Hello ==

Hey there. It is nice to meet you. I'm new here. What do you do on here for the most part?--[[User:God'sGirl94|God'sGirl94]] 14:48, 6 March 2009 (PST)
: Well, I'm kind of the nerd-guy! I made all the stuff you can type things like [[John 3:16]] or [[Genesis 1:1]] and see all the fancy Bible stuff. How 'about you? Do you attend a church anywhere? What are some important things for you about being a Christian? Is it hard to be a Christian on the Internet? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 15:12, 6 March 2009 (PST)

==Romans 14 ==
It appears that BotUm missed out Romans 14 when updating all the Bible Chapters to the new template. Could you take a look at that please? - Probably take you and BotUm 1/10th the time it would take me. [[User:MatthewClarke|Matt]] 17:12, 4 September 2009 (PDT)
: Actually, my computer had died since I run the bot, so I don't have any of the old files. I could re-write the program, but I'm not near my computer at this time. If you haven't had a chance to fix this in three weeks, I can sure re-write it, but it will be that long! Sorry! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 17:38, 4 September 2009 (PDT)

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==Reply==

Hey Graham,

Life's going good for me right now, actually :) I've been busy with school and work, but I'll see what I can do about the clean up. I ''would'' use PilhetBot if it ws an automated program, but it's not an ''actual'' "bot" unfortunately. Just an account I flagged as a bot so all the miniscule changes and clean up work I did with it wouldn't clog up Recent Changes. :)

How are you doing, btw?

God bless, -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 00:31, 11 October 2008 (PDT)

== Reference Scripture pages ==

What should be done about these? At the moment they're at [[Special:deadendpages]].

*[[Reference Scripture:Genesis 1:1-25 (KJV)]]
*[[Reference Scripture:Genesis 1:1-25 (WEB)]]
*[[Reference Scripture:Genesis 1:26-31;2:18-24 (KJV)]]
*[[Reference Scripture:Genesis 1:26-31;2:18-24 (WEB)]]

[[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 22:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

: I reckon we should just delete them unless you can think of a good reason to keep them. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 05:36, 13 October 2008 (PDT)

== Greek New Testament template ==

Should this be deleted? - [[Template:Galatians 1:23 (Greek)]] [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 10:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

:Forget about the above - I've just found the new template and I'm going to delete the one above. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 10:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re:EBD ==

All the entries under Q,U,V and Y have been moved and there are no X entries. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 08:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== Online theological journals ==

Here's something from Theopedia you might like to look at - [http://www.theopedia.com/Online_theological_journals Theopedia Online theological journals] [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 08:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== HELP! ==

I somehow deleted the original [[Text:Apostles' Creed]]. I tried to get it back but couldn't, so I copied the Wikisource one, then I found I had 2 Wikisource duplicates, I deleted 1, but found both had been deleted so undeleted. How do I remove only 1 copy?. There is now a Wikisource template [[Template:Wikisource]] which I used in the above article [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 03:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

: Not sure how to fix the problem. I'll look into it. Thanks Kathleen. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 12:58, 21 October 2008 (PDT)

== Copyright templates ==

A full set of Copyright templates can be found here [[:Category:Copyright templates]]. Note:MormonWiki.org is a Christian Wiki exposing Mormonism. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 03:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Opinion of information section on article ==

I'd like your opinion on the information section of this article [[Australian Christian Channel]]. Its the best I could do without an Infobox template, which I tried out here but found didn't work. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 02:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

: Looks like you did well. I've re-formatted to fit WikiChristian's page layout style ([[WikiChristian:Page Layout]]). I'm not sure how to incorporate infoboxes. I'm not fussed about infoboxes - if the information can be put into prose then I think that that is good. And if not, then a table can always be created in the main article. Cheers. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 07:55, 22 October 2008 (PDT)

== [[Temple Mount]] ==

I've put an Infobox on the above article, but I'm not sure what to put for Returnto. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 08:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

: That's great. A good returnto could probably be [[Jerusalem]]. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 10:40, 22 October 2008 (PDT)

== Update ==
Hello. I see there have been some major changes since I was gone. The one I noticed very quickly was to the [[Main Page]]. So, if you don't mind, could you update me on what has changed? I will still be a bit inactive, but I'll be sure to pop in from time to time for a while. I've been busy on both, real life and other wikis (such as [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RyanCross Simple English Wikipedia] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RyanCross English Wikipedia]). – [[User:RyanCross|'''Ryan'''Cross]] ([[User talk:RyanCross|''talk'']]) 07:37, 23 October 2008 (PDT)
:Yep, all is very well. Thank you for the links. I'll be sure to try to help with updating our content pages. Yours, – [[User:RyanCross|'''Ryan'''Cross]] ([[User talk:RyanCross|''talk'']]) 07:50, 23 October 2008 (PDT)

== Image for [[John Duncan]] ==

If you'd like an image for the above it can be found here [[wikipedia:Image:John Duncan.jpg|Image:John Duncan.jpg]], its public domain. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 21:01, 26 October 2008

== I need help ==

Hello my name is Angel Martinez and I created the article, "Christian Bible Club" I would like to if you could change the name of the article back to "Christian Bible Club" not "Christian Bible Club (East Hills Middle School, Pennsylvania)" becuase we are not just based in East Hills Middle School CBC was founded in East Hills Middle School and we sometime have meetings there. We also have meeting in other places in Bethlehem to. I would also like to know if you could tell me how to change the name of an article. THANK YOU! and God Bless You![[User:Cbconline|Cbconline]] 23:34, 27 October 2008 (PDT)

== Not being able to download files with Firefox has been fixed ==

I can now download files with Firefox. My AV AVG Free 8.0 had gone wrong, its now been reinstalled and working OK now. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 21:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

== 2 Pages with same name ==

What should I do about this? [[Text:EBD:Kadesh]]. There are 2 pages with this name, its the same online at Christian Classics Ethereal Library and Wikisource. I tried to delete only one but both were deleted (now been restored). There was also some extra text which I've added from Christian Classics Ethereal Library, for address please see edit summary. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 06:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== Message on my talk page for you ==

I've left a message on my talk page for you about mistakes with Koine Greek redirect pages. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|User:Kathleen.wright5]] 03:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S I've fixed the problem of Text:EBD:Kadesh by removing 1 of the pages from the Index.

== Source for Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible ==

I thought you might like to look at this. Source for MHC - [http://www.ccel.org/henry/mhc.i.html Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible (Volume Index) - Christian Classics Ethereal Library]. There is also a copy at Wikisource, but its very incomplete. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 23:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC).

==New Message from a Fellow Commentary Wiki==

Hi Graham,

I encountered your page through a series of links on the internet. I'm with [http://www.biblefootnotes.org www.biblefootnotes.org] a new attempt at collaborative bible commentary on the web. I noticed that you're interested in bringing bible commentary attempts together and we are too and I'm wondering if we could start talking together about ways to do that. I placed a comment on the Talk site that you suggested as well, but I'm personally wondering if you would mind giving feedback on our site and your thoughts we could help in the project to unify all these different projects and how what we're doing complements your work here. I can be reached at efredric at g mail dot com. Thanks in advance!

Eric

== Blocking Policy ==

I am a Christian, and I believe in being charitable, even praying for those who spitefully use us, but our blocking policy is not in tune with reality. Nearly 100% of the time if you are spammed by an anonymous I.P. address, you are not dealing with a human being but a zombie, about whom we have no word from the Lord on charity. These are computers who are virus infected and their owners don't even know that they are being used as part of concerted attacks against websites all over the world. I saw these "FIELD_VALUE_asljkas"-like attacks all over the internet the past few days by a variety of I.P. address. Blocking these address for a week or less just makes for more work during the next round of attacks. I think, that is malicious, spamming or destructive links are being done anonymously we should ban the address for a year, and always be careful to allow account creation: someone my come here from an infected computer and have no idea. Sorry to pontificate so, but I've been cleaning up these attacks all week all over the internet, and our policy just doesn't seem wise/effective. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 16:34, 17 December 2008 (PST)

: I'm not really up to date on how all of these things happen and I don't reckon we've ever sat down and sorted out any sort of blocking policy. I think you're right and we should block these ip addresses for longer. Thanks. --[[User:121.45.192.82|121.45.192.82]] 00:31, 19 December 2008 (PST)

== Thanks for the welcome ==
I appreciate the welcome back, Graham. I have to say that I sometimes get carried away on editing, so if I step on any toes, just let me know. [[User:Lamorak|Lamorak]] 02:11, 6 February 2009 (PST)

== Message on my userpage for you ==

I've left a message on my userpage for you. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 11:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== Hey from Aquatiki ==

Hey GG, I'm super busy these days at work. I'm neglecting my own wiki. I haven't looked a WC in over a month. Just wanted to let you know that you should consider me gone. I don't know when things will ever go back to the way they were! Email me to communicate. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 20:19, 21 May 2009 (PDT)

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WITH LOVE FROM EBAUMS

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== Verses ==

[[Psalm 118:1|1]] [[Psalm 118:2|2]] [[Psalm 118:3|3]] [[Psalm 118:4|4]] [[Psalm 118:5|5]] [[Psalm 118:6|6]] [[Psalm 118:7|7]] [[Psalm 118:8|8]] [[Psalm 118:9|9]] [[Psalm 118:10|10]] [[Psalm 118:11|11]] [[Psalm 118:12|12]] [[Psalm 118:13|13]] [[Psalm 118:14|14]] [[Psalm 118:15|15]] [[Psalm 118:16|16]] [[Psalm 118:17|17]] [[Psalm 118:18|18]] [[Psalm 118:19|19]] [[Psalm 118:20|20]] [[Psalm 118:21|21]] [[Psalm 118:22|22]] [[Psalm 118:23|23]] [[Psalm 118:24|24]] [[Psalm 118:25|25]] [[Psalm 118:26|26]] [[Psalm 118:27|27]] [[Psalm 118:28|28]] [[Psalm 118:29|29]]

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Abortion can refer to either a miscarriage or a medical abortion. A miscarriage is a naturally occurring process when an embryo or fetus dies and is naturally expelled from the uterus. A medical abortion (or termination of pregnancy) is when a procedure is performed (usually by a doctor at the request of the woman) to kill the embryo or fetus and remove it from the uterus.

===Medical abortions===

====Legality====

The legality of abortion around the world varies. Generally it has only become legal sometime within the last 50 years.

'''Australia'''

Abortion is legal only under the following circumstances: the baby is significantly malformed or the woman's health, either physically or emotionally, is under threat. In practice this means that an abortion can be performed quite easily, because all it requires is for the woman to say that her mental health is under great threat.

'''China'''

'''Germany'''

'''India'''

'''Italy'''

'''New Zealand'''

'''Spain'''

'''United Kingdom of Great Britain'''

'''United States of America'''

====Christian opinions on medical abortion====

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Parables of Jesus

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{{quote | text={{Bible verse|matthew|13|13|lang=WEB}} [[Matthew 13:13]]}}
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topic_name = The Parables of Jesus |
subtopics = [[Parable]]
* [[Parables Index]] (a list of all of the parables of Jesus)
* Very famous parables
** [[The Wise and the Foolish Builders]] - [[Matthew 7]]:24-27
** [[Parable of the Sower|The Sower]] - [[Matthew 13]]:3-23, [[Mark 4]]:1-20, [[Luke 8]]:5-15
** [[The Lost Sheep]] - [[Matthew 18]]:12-14, [[Luke 15]]:1-7
** [[Parable of the Unmerciful Servant|The Unmerciful Servant]] - [[Matthew 18]]:23-35
** [[The Good Samaritan]] - [[Luke 10]]:30-37
** [[The Prodigal Son]] - [[Luke 15]]:11-32 |
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'''[[Jesus]]''' often taught using illustrations and stories - [[parable]]s. His parables often tell of the kingdom of [[God]] and the nature of God. Sometimes the meaning is clear, at other times it can seem hidden.

The word "parable" is derived from the Greek word [[Παραβολη]] (''[[parabole]]''). It can be used to refer to stories that make a point (like the Good Samaritan), stories that are allegories (like the parable of the Sower) or simple statements.

Each of the four Gospels contains parables of Jesus unique to that Gospel, with two of the best known, [[the Prodigal Son]] and [[the Good Samaritan]], both being among those that occur only in the [[Gospel of Luke]]. Only two parables occur in the [[Gospel of John]], and both are unique to that Gospel. A few parables appear in more than one of the [[synoptic Gospels]]. But no parable is common to the [[Gospel of Mark|Mark]] and either [[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] or [[Gospel of Luke|Luke]] but not both; that is, if a parable occurs in Mark and also somewhere else, then it appears in all three. This observation is one of those used to try to identify and analyse the sources used by the gospel writers, see [[Q document]].

[[Parables]] also exist in the Old Testament and in many other writings, the best known being the story that the prophet [[Nathan]] tells [[King David]].

===Nature / types of parables===

The [[Greek]] word "[[Παραβολη]]" has a wide meanings. It can be used for riddles, stories, or comparisons.

There are differences of opinion as to what actually constitutes a parable. What one person considers a parable, another may not. Some theologians class Jesus' parables into 1 of 4 general types
* Similitude
** Example: Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed ([[Matthew 13]])
* Story
** Example: Good Samaritan ([[Luke 10]])
* Extended metaphor
** Example: Great Banquet ([[Luke 14]])
* Allegory
** Example: Wicked tenants

===Purpose of parables===

The reason that Jesus' taught in parables is not immediately obvious. It seems that Jesus taught in parables for many reasons.

====Purpose: To conceal meaning====

Some parables, rather than enlighten everyone, seemed to be spoken to conceal the meaning. For example, in the parable of the sower, we are told that Jesus spoke in parables so that people would be "Forever seeing, and not understanding" ([[Luke 8]]).

====Purpose: To make one or two spiritual points====

Parables usually had one overall point. Occasionally they have two or three main points. For example, in the difficult parable of the Shrewd Manager in [[Luke 16]], Jesus seems to be making a single point - think and be shrewd in your actions. Likewise, the parable of the great banquet ([[Luke 14]]) seems to be making one main point - come when you are invited.

====Purpose: To make points by comparison====

Many parables made their point by comparison. For example, in the [[Prodigal Son]] ([[Luke 15]]), Jesus makes a point by comparing the responses of the two brothers and the father.

====Purpose: To make people who were interested to think and judge====

Parables, by their very nature of not being completely straight forward, draw interested people to think and judge. An person who is interested is almost always compelled to think and wonder at hearing a parable. For example, Jesus' disciples came to Jesus wanting an explanation after the parable of the sower.

====Purpose: To help people remember====

Parables can be easy to remember because a story needs to be remembered.

====Purpose: To reveal people's hearts / to confront people====

In the Gospels, we find that the parables often confronted people and revealed their hearts. For example, in the parable of the wicked tenants, the Pharisees were confronted by Jesus, and instead of repenting, they became more angry - their true hearts were revealed by the parable.

===Some of the most famous of Jesus' parables===

====[[The Prodigal Son]]====

The Parable of the Prodigal Son is one of Jesus' most well known parables. The story is found in [[Luke 15]]:11–32, being preceded by [[The Lost Sheep]] and [[The Lost Coin]]. It is the story of a son who dishonours his father and squanders his fortues and returns home in disgrace to his father but is welcomed with arms open wide and [[forgiveness]]. A central theme of the story is that God is like the Prodigal son's father - full of mercy and love and forgiveness.

====[[The Good Samaritan]]====

[[The Good Samaritan]] is another famous parable. It appears only in the [[Gospel of Luke]] ([[Luke 10|10]]:25-37). In the parable, Jesus illustrates that compassion should be for all people, and that fulfilling the spirit of the Law is just as important as fulfilling the letter of the Law. In the story, Jesus describes how a Samaritan, who at the time was a despised foreigner in the eyes of the Jews, shows himself to be the neighbour by helping out a Jew who was in great need.

==Quotes==

''[[Matthew 13:13]]''
: Jesus said, "This is why I speak to them in parables: Though seeing, they do not see. Though hearing, they do not hear or understand."

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parables_of_Jesus Wikipedia - Parables of Jesus]

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==A==

[[Athanasius]]

[[Augustine]]

==B==

[[Billy Graham]]

[[Børre Knudsen]]

[[Phineas Bresee|Bresee, Phineas]]

[[F.F. Bruce|Bruce, F.F.]]

[[John Bunyan|Bunyan, John]]

==C==

[[William Carey|Carey, William]]

[[Cecil B. DeMill]]

[[Constantine I]]

[[Thomas Cranmer|Cranmer, Thomas]]

==D==

[[Dwight Lyman Moody]]

==E==

[[Jonathan Edwards|Edwards, Jonathan]]

==F==

==G==

[[Billy Graham|Graham, Billy]]

==H==

[[Bethany Hamilton|Hamilton, Bethany]]

==I==

[[Irenaeus]]

==J==

[[Jonathan Edwards]]

[[J.B. Phillips]]

[[John Bertram Phillips]]

[[John Bunyan]]

[[John Wimber]]

[[John Wycliffe]]

[[Justin Martyr]]

==K==

[[Børre Knudsen|Knudsen, Børre]]

==L==

[[C.S. Lewis|Lewis, C.S.]] ([[C.S. Lewis|Clive Staples Lewis]])

[[Martin Luther|Luther, Martin]]

==M==

[[Dwight Lyman Moody|Moody, Dywight Lyman]]

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]]

[[Martin Luther]]

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==O==

==P==

[[Apostle Paul|Paul the apostle]]

[[Apostle Peter|Peter the apostle]]

[[John Bertram Phillips|Phillips, J.B.]]

[[Phineas Bresee]]

==Q==

==R==

[[Ravi Zacharias]]

==S==
[[Terri Schiavo|Schiavo, Terri]]

==T==

[[Hudson Taylor|Taylor, Hudson]]

[[Terri Schiavo]]

[[Terry Virgo]]

[[Thomas Cranmer]]

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==V==

==W==

[[William Carey]]

[[John Wimber|Wimber, John]]

[[John Wycliffe|Wycliffe, John]]

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==Y==

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[[Ravi Zacharias|Zacharias, Ravi]]

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==Anonymous edits?==

Vandalism seems to be on the decrease at WikiChristian. I wonder if now is a good time to re-allow anonymous edits. Any opinions? Plus, if we decide to do that, how do we do it? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 07:13, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
: It's a server-side. If it's the consensus, I can do it in two seconds. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 23:00, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
:: Well, let's wait and see if anyone else comments. KW is the only other user who tends to work on WikiChristian daily. The users, India, PB Pilhet and Theologian seem to stop by on around a weekly basis. Prab of course drops in a sorts out problems from time to time. I reckon we wait a couple more days, and if no one else comments, and you're agreeable, go ahead and make the change. And if vandalism seems to rear its ugly head again, then we'll go back to the current system quick-smart. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 23:10, 17 October 2008 (PDT)
::: No one else has commented. I say let's change it so anonymous editors can edit again. If we run in to problems with vandalism then we can reassess and revert back to the current system. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 16:38, 21 October 2008 (PDT)
:::: Done. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 21:53, 21 October 2008 (PDT)

==Users Who Vandalize WikiChristian==
Around Christmas time 2008 we had a few registered users vandalize certain pages on WikiChristian and post inappropriate photos. Should we screen those who create logins and find out their intentions before we let them create a login? Some people create logins on wikis for the purpose of vandalizing the site. Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism number of suggestions] to help deal with vandals.
--[[User:DavidSpencer.ca|DavidSpencer.ca]] 23:46, 28 December 2008 (PST)
: Some people want to be destructive and are willing to give their real name, email and more just to get at Christians. The more steps we put in ''their'' way, the more we're putting in the way of regular people who might want to contribute. Extra evil people will always exist and the steps we've taken preclude 99% of anonymous spam without inconveniencing human beings at all. I think we do almost enough as is. The guideline, however, which appear on the "block" page are ludicrously weak and don't take into account zombie computers or malicious sexual predators: they should be strengthened. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 23:55, 28 December 2008 (PST)

==Technical submissions==
How does one upgrade constructive technical data? For example, at least the following should be placed in the Koine Greek section under 'diphthongs-ei : '''*''' '

: '''*''' Most introductory grammars of NT Greek incorrectly link ει to η. However, phonologists and historians of the Greek language are unanimous that ει was joined in sound to ι before the beginning of the NT era. This is also acknowledged by NT reference grammars like Moulton-Howard-Turner, AT Robertson, and Blass-Debrunner-Funk. This is visible everywhere in old documents, in papyri, in inscriptions, and in all manuscripts of the Greek New Testament. For example, the name Πιλατος was spelled Πειλατος in Westcott-Hort's Greek NT because it is most commonly spelled that way in ancient NT manuscripts. For a linguistically up-to-date survey of Greek sounds in the NT era, see http://www.biblicalulpan.org/pages/Common/Greek%20Pronunciation%20(2008).pdf

:: I can appreciate that there is ''some'' debate among scholars about the finer points of ancient Greek and Hebrew pronunciation. However, this is a general, Christian wiki and not a specific platform for linguistic scholarship. We are content to go with the majority of textbooks on this issue and are not looking to side with any minority in on-going debates. There is more than enough work to do here in terms of defining words and listing basic, grammatical details without quibbling over the minutiae of one camp over against another. Also, please wait for a response in this (or any other forum) before getting into a revert war with an administrator. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 12:58, 1 February 2009 (PST)

::: Thank you for the clarification and at least leaving this note in the discussion. My notes were listed because I thought this wiki was to be a window to general reliability. My second attempt was trying to find a compromise that would at least provide an option for accurate information for visitors, even if only in a footnote. As mentioned, there isn't debate on the facts, only whether to expose students to them. No reputable Greek phonologist would argue that ει was pronounced like English 'ei'/'neighbour' in the first century, but they recognize its linkage to ι. See Teodorsson, Allen, Gignac, Horrocks, Bubenick, in addition to Moulton, Robertson, Funk listed above, et al. I can understand Koine pedagogues not following what is known, but to call a consensus a 'minority' is strange and confirms its need. And both Classical and Koine pedagogues agree on German '''ue''' for υ-ψιλον. On your Hebrew notes, likewise, `ayin is not a glottal stop, though it may be difficult for Europeans to pronounce. It is a preferred way of reading the Hebrew Bible in synagogues the world over and is featured on Israeli television and radio everyday. A Christian wiki would want to reconnect a coming generation to the languages of scripture as much as possible and open up paths for them to advance to what can be achieved. It would be nice to hear Christian students fluently reading Hebrew scriptures, with understanding, in a way that would be respected in Israel. At least to dream about it. The wiki can inform the audience that there are levels of aspiration far beyond the wiki.--[[User:Koinedoctor|Koinedoctor]] 20:31, 1 February 2009 (PST)

:::: Of the dozens of editors who have come (and gone) of this wiki, you are the second to have even studied Greek and Hebrew at any level beyond passing. I merely suggest that this wiki reflect the overwhelming majority of university level education in the English-speaking world. Someone who practiced what you preach would need to be educated not merely in the specific you list, but also in the scholarship to defend them. Since we are not primarily interested in creating a Phonetics-Apologetics site, I deem it wisest to maintain the status-quo, however sub-par-excellence that may be. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 01:09, 2 February 2009 (PST)

::::: If the status-quo led to levels where the student could think and rapidly communicate in Hebrew and Greek I would be with you. מה היה קורה אם עשינו את דיוננו בעברית - η - τι αν συνεβη ει διελογιζομεθα εν Ελληνικη ?--[[User:Koinedoctor|Koinedoctor]] 08:36, 2 February 2009 (PST)

:::::: OK, your Greek and Hebrew are amazing. You win the award and we all owe you bragging rights and the place of honor. --End Sarcasm-- THIS IS NOT A SITE TO LEARN, let alone "rapidly communicate in Greek or Hebrew". No one is coming here to learn a language. People who already know Greek and/or Hebrew would be stupid to come here for a resource. It is quite possible that you know more than anybody else, but this is not the site for it. This is a general, Christian wiki. Please consider each of those terms carefully. Consider your audience and who traffics this site. THINK ABOUT IT for a minute. Ugh. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 10:58, 2 February 2009 (PST)

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Biblical Hebrew

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Biblical Hebrew |
subtopics = [[Biblical Hebrew: Dictionary|Dictionary]]
* Lessons
** [[Hebrew: Alphabet|Alphabet]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

Biblical Hebrew (Classical Hebrew) is an archaic form of the [[Hebrew]] language, in which the [[Old Testament]] was written, and which the ancient Israelites spoke. It is not spoken in its pure form today, although it is studied by religious Jews and Christian theologians, linguists and Israeli archaeologists. Biblical Hebrew is easily read by anyone familiar with modern Hebrew. The differences between Biblical Hebrew and modern Hebrew are mainly in grammar and Biblical Hebrew's distinct writing style.

From a linguistic point of view, the Classical Hebrew language is usually divided into two periods: Biblical Hebrew, and Roman Era Hebrew, having very distinct grammatical patterns.

{{clear}}
===Alphabet===

{|class="wikitable"
!Name
!Letter
!Transliteration
!IPA
!Notes
|-
|Aleph
|{{hebrew|א}}
| -
| -
|One of two silent letters. Usually appears at the start of a syllable to make the syllable start with a vowel sound.
|-
|Bet
|{{hebrew|בּ}}
|b
|b
|Sounds just like the English letter B.
|-
|Vet
|{{hebrew|ב}}
|v
|v
|Sounds just like the English letter V.
|-
|Gimel
|{{hebrew|ג}}
|g
|ɡ
|Sounds like a hard g as in give
|-
|Dalet
|{{hebrew|ד}}
|d
|d
|Sounds like d as in dog.
|-
|He
|{{hebrew|ה}}
|h
|h
|Sounds like the English letter H when it's in the beginning or middle of a word. At the end of a word, it is silent.
|-
|Vav
|{{hebrew|ו}}
|v
|v
|Sounds like v as in vacuum. Also used to make a couple of vowel sounds.
|-
|Zayin
|{{hebrew|ז}}
|z
|z
|Sounds like z as in zoo.
|-
|Het
|{{hebrew|ח}}
|kh
|χ
|This is a sound that English doesn't have. It sounds like the ch in the German name Bach or in the Scottish word loch. It is the throat clearing guttural sound.
|-
|Tet
|{{hebrew|ט}}
|t
|t
|Sounds like t as in tetris.
|-
|Yod
|{{hebrew|י}}
|y
|j
|Sounds like y as in yard. It can also change the sound of the vowel that precedes it.
|-
|Kaf
|{{hebrew|כּ}}
|k
|k
|Sounds like k as in kitten.
|-
|Kaf Final
|{{hebrew|ךּ}}
|k
|k
| Rarely used (almost no words end with Kaf).
|-
|Khaf
|{{hebrew|כ}}
|kh
|x
|Sounds just like Het, except that it isn't guttural.
|-
|Khaf Final
|{{hebrew|ך}}
|kh
|x
| -
|-
|Lamed
|{{hebrew|ל}}
|l
|l
|Sounds like l as in lamb.
|-
|Mem
|{{hebrew|מ}}
|m
|m
|Sounds like m as in mother
|-
|Mem final
|{{hebrew|ם}}
|m
|m
| -
|-
|Nun
|{{hebrew|נ}}
|n
|n
|Sounds like n as in name.
|-
|Nun final
|{{hebrew|ן}}
|n
|n
| -
|-
|Samech
|{{hebrew|ס}}
|s
|s
|Sounds like s as in safe.
|-
|Ayin
|{{hebrew|ע}}
| -
|ʔ
|A glottal stop.
|-
|Pe
|{{hebrew|פּ}}
|p
|p
|Sounds like p as in port
|-
|Pe final
|{{hebrew|ףּ}}
|p
|p
| -
|-
|Fe
|{{hebrew|פ}}
|f
|f
|Sounds like f as in fame
|-
|Fe final
|{{hebrew|ף}}
|f
|f
|-
|Tsadi
|{{hebrew|צ}}
|tz
|ʦ
|Sounds like the zz in pizza.
|-
|Tsadi final
|{{hebrew|ץ}}
|tz
|ʦ
| -
|-
|Qof
|{{hebrew|ק}}
|k
|k
|Sounds like Kaf in modern Hebrew, but was originally pronounced with pressure in the throat ([q]).
|-
|Resh
|{{hebrew|ר}}
|r
|ɾ
|Sounds like the letter R, but is not pronounced exactly the same as in English. At the beginning or in the middle of a word it is slightly rolled so that its sound is somewhere between the English "R" and the Spanish rolled "R". The tongue bounces off the roof of the mouth just once. (The Ashkenazi pronunciation is [ʁ].)
|-
|Shin
|{{hebrew|שׁ}} or {{hebrew|ש}}
|sh
|ʃ
|Sounds like sh as in ship
|-
|Sin
|{{hebrew|שׂ}}
|s
|s
|Sounds like s as in soon
|-
|Tav
|{{hebrew|ת}}
|t
|t
|Sounds like t as in tomato
|}

==Quotes==

==Links==

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[[Category:Biblical languages]]

Koine Greek

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Koine Greek
[[Image:Codex Alexandrinus Luke.jpg|thumb|center|A copy of the [[Codex Alexandrinus]] opened to the [[Gospel of Luke]].]] |
subtopics = [[Koine Greek: Dictionary|Dictionary]]
* [[Greek]]
* Lessons
** [[Koine Greek: Alphabet|Alphabet]]
** [[Koine Greek: Nouns|Nouns]], [[Koine Greek: Definite Article|Definite Article]], [[Koine Greek: Prepositions|Prepositions]]
** [[Koine Greek: Adjectives|Adjectives]], [[Koine Greek: Comparison|Comparison]]
** [[Koine Greek: Verbs|Verbs]]
** [[Koine Greek: Participles|Participles]]
** [[Koine Greek: Adverbs|Adverbs]]
** Miscellaneous topics
*** [[Koine Greek: Crasis|Crasis]]
*** [[Koine Greek: Questions|Questions]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

{{greek_dictionary}}
Koine is the Greek word for "common." Koine Greek (also called New Testament Greek) was the form of the Greek language used from around 300 BC to AD 300. The books of the [[New Testament]] were originally written in Koine Greek. Koine Greek was the ''lingua franca'' (or the commonly used language of communication) in the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern for hundreds of years following the conquests of Alexander the Great, including during the time of the early church.

For some time the Greek language of the New Testament confused many scholars. It was sufficiently different from Classical Greek that some hypothesized that it was a combination of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. Others attempted to explain it as a "Holy Ghost language," assuming that perhaps God created a special language just for the [[Bible]]. But studies of [[Greek]] papyri found in [[Egypt]] over the past 120 years have shown that the Greek of the [[New Testament]] manuscripts was the "common" (koine) language of the everyday people - the same as that used in the writing of wills and private letters.

Koine Greek had spread throughout the Mediterranean and Middle East as a result of the conquests of the Greek armies of Alexander the Great. It served as a second language for many people and had become the language of communication throughout much of the Roman Empire and beyond by the time of Jesus. It retained its role as the lingua franca until the Middle Ages.

===Bible===

The Old Testament was translated into Koine Greek between the third and first centuries before Christ. This translation is known as the [[Septuagint]], or simply, the "LXX". The New Testament books were originally written in Koine Greek. Below is part of a passage from the New Testament - [[John 1:1]]
* {{Bible verse|John|1|1|lang=Greek}}
* Translation: ''{{Bible verse|John|1|1|lang=WEB}}''

{{clear}}
===Alphabet===

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Letter name !! Lower Case !! Upper Case !! Transliteration in WikiChristian !! Pronunciation
|-
| alpha || α || Α || a || father
|-
| beta || β || Β || b || beta
|-
| gamma || γ || Γ || g || gamma
|-
| delta || δ || Δ || d || delta
|-
| epsilon || ε || Ε || e || epsilon
|-
| zêta || ζ || Ζ || ''z'' if first letter, otherwise ''dz'' || zêta ''or'' beds
|-
| êta || |η || Η || e || obey
|-
| thêta || θ || Θ || th || thêta
|-
| iota || ι || Ι || i || spaghetti
|-
| kappa || κ || Κ || k || kappa
|-
| lambda || |λ || Λ || l || lambda
|-
| mu || μ || Μ || m || mu
|-
| nu || ν || Ν || n || nu
|-
| xi || ξ || Ξ || x || axiom
|-
| omicron || ο || Ο || o || pond
|-
| pi || π || Π || p || pi
|-
| rho || ρ || Ρ || r || rho
|-
| sigma || σ / ς || Σ || s || sigma
|-
| tau || τ || Τ || t || tau
|-
| upsilon || υ || Υ || u || oops
|-
| phi || φ || Φ || ph || father
|-
| chi || χ || Χ || ch || Bach
|-
| psi || ψ || Ψ || ps || oops
|-
| omega || ω || Ω || o || obey
|}

== Diphthongs and ι-subscripts ==

{| class="wikitable"
! Diphthong
! Pronunciation
|-
! ΑΙ
| 'ai' as in aisle
|-
! ΕΙ
| 'ei' as in freight (identical to 'Η')
|-
! ΟΙ
| 'oi' as in oil
|-
! ΑΥ
| 'ow' as in sow
|-
! ΟΥ
| 'oo' as in fool
|-
! ΥΙ
| 'ooe' as in gooey
|-
! ΕΥ
| '''*'''
|}

: '''*''' 'ευ' is both hard and controversial. There is some evidence to suggest that is was pronounced 'ew' (as in "Ew, that's gross!") or simply 'yu'. What has been taught for ages, however, is 'eh-oo', as sound not present in English.

There are also version of several vowels with a small iota underneath (or beside in the case of capitols): ᾼ ᾳ, ῌ ῃ, ῼ ῳ. It is believed that these represent ancient diphthongs, but the pronunciation is not altered in the time of any Greek writing we can know.
: ''We have chosen not to include ι-subscripts on '''WikiChristian''', partly because most browsers display them incorrectly.''

== Accents and Breathing ==
There are three possible accents that can be put on Greek vowels: the acute <big>´</big>, the grave (pronounces 'grahv') <big>`</big> and the circumflex. The circumflex should like an upside crescent over the vowel, but some fonts use the caron (<big>^</big>) or even the tilde (<big>~</big>). It is thought the these different symbols represented rising and falling pitch, like modern Chinese, but by the time of our literature, they only indicate accent or stress.

* ἀρχῇ - ar'''xē'''
* λόγος - '''lo'''gos

Over the initial syllable of word that begins with a vowel, there will always be either a rough (<big>‘</big>) or a smooth (<big>’</big>) breathing sign. Rough means a 'h' sound and smooth means a lack of extra sound. A 'Ρ' (Rho), in the initial position, also taking a breathing sign, typically the rough. How precisely this altered pronunciation is not known.

: ''We also do not include accents here on '''WikiChristian''', since it would make searches extremely difficult, and also, because most browsers don't render them correctly.''

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~fisher/gnt/chapters.html Greek New Testament - Parsing of each word]
* [http://www.textkit.com/ Textkit - Learn Greek and Latin]
* [http://www.theopedia.com/Greek Theopedia - Greek]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek Wikipedia - Koine Greek]
* [http://ntgateway.com/ NT Gateway]
* [http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm Online Interlineal Greek-English Bible New Testament]
* [http://scripturetext.com/ Scripturetext.com - Scripture versions and word-for-word Greek translation at Biblos.com]
* [http://www.zhubert.com Zhubert.com - Parsing of Greek New Testament]

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Biblical Hebrew

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Calvinism

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Calvinism |
subtopics = [[Hyercalvinism]]
* [[Arminianism]]
* [[John Calvin]]
* [[Predestination]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

Calvinism is the term used for a particular type of Christian theology that began with the teaching of [[John Calvin]]. Calvin was a [[Protestant]] [[Reformer]] in the 16th century who formed the Presbetyrian Church in Switzerland. His followers further developed the theology of Calvinism. Calvinism is perhaps best known for its doctrine of [[predestination]]. Its history is associated with some notable experiments in Christian [[theocracy]].

===Background===

Calvinism is based on the understanding that God is completely sovereign and has preordained all that comes to pass. "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will..." ([[Ephesians 1:11]]). Because the Bible teaches that all people are not saved and that God is not frustrated in his plans or desires, Calvinism maintains that God has predetermined who will be saved and sovereignly dispenses his saving grace accordingly. The theological terms most often associated with Calvinism are predestination and election which refer to the particularity of God's grace in salvation.

Calvinism is named after 16th century Reformer, John Calvin whose overall theology is contained in his [[Institutes of the Christian Religion]] (1559). Sometimes Calvinism is referred to by other names such as "Augustinianism" because Calvin basically followed [[Augustine]] (A.D. 354-430) in areas of predestination and the sovereignty of God.

In a broad sense, Calvinism can be virtually synonymous with "Reformed Protestantism", encompassing the whole body of doctrine taught by Reformed churches and represented in various Reformed Confessions such as the Belgic Confession of Faith (1561) and the Westminster Confession of Faith (1647).

===Five points of Calvinism (known by the acronym TULIP)===

The Calvinist doctrine of salvation is summarized in what is commonly called the Five Points of Calvinism. These five points are a summary of the Canons of Dort which in turn was the judgment of the Synod of Dort (1618 -1619) against related Arminian teaching. These five points are not intended to be a comprehensive summary of Calvinism or Reformed doctrine, but only an exposition on the particular points in dispute raised by the Arminians of that day.

====Total Depravity====

The effect of the fall upon man is that sin has extended to every part of his personality -- his thinking, his emotions, and his will. Not necessarily that he is intensely sinful, but that sin has extended to his entire being.

The unregenerate (unsaved) man is dead in his sins (Romans 5:12). Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the natural man is blind and deaf to the message of the gospel (Mark 4:11f). This is why total depravity has also been called "total inability." The man without a knowledge of God will never come to this knowledge without God's making him alive through Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5).

====Unconditional Election====

Unconditional election is the doctrine which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon foreseen faith (especially a mere decisional faith). God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory and others for damnation (Romans 9:15,21). He has done this act before the foundations of the world (Ephesians 1:4-8).

====Limited Atonement====

Limited atonement (also known as "definite atonement") is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matthew 26:28). Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Ephesians 5:25, [[1 John 2:2]]).

====Irresistible Grace====

The result of God's irresistible grace is the certain response by the elect to the inward call of the Holy Spirit, when the outward call is given by the evangelist or minister of the Word of God. Christ, himself, teaches that all whom God has elected will come to a knowledge of him (John 6:37). Men come to Christ in salvation when the Father calls them (John 6:44), and the very Spirit of God leads God's beloved to repentance (Romans 8:14). What a comfort it is to know that the gospel of Christ will penetrate our hard, sinful hearts and wondrously save us through the gracious inward call of the Holy Spirit (I Peter 5:10)!

====Perseverance of the Saints====

Those called and justified will certainly be glorified (Romans 8:28-39). The work of sanctification which God has brought about in his elect will continue until it reaches its fulfillment in eternal life (Phil. 1:6). Christ assures the elect that he will not lose them and that they will be glorified at the "last day" (John 6:39). The Calvinist stands upon the Word of God and trusts in Christ's promise that he will perfectly fulfill the will of the Father in saving all the elect.

====The Five Solas of the Reformation====

The Five Solas of the Reformation are not unique to Calvinism, nor are they necessarily unique to the Reformed tradition in Christianity, however they are integral to the theological perspective of Calvinism and therefore bear restating here:

Sola Fide - by faith alone, in specific reference to Justification.

Sola Scriptura - by the Scriptures alone, in reference to authority.

Solo Christo - by Christ alone, as our sole mediator and intercessor before God.

Sola gratia - by grace alone, in reference to salvation.

Soli Deo gloria - to God alone the glory.

====Common carricatures of Calvinism====

Note: These are commonly used to caricature calvinist or reformation doctrine, but most only apply to those who hold to some form of "Hyper-Calvinism".

No need for evangelism - "If God has preordained whatsoever comes to pass, and pre-selected all whom he is going to save, then where is the need for evangelism?"

God's coercion of sinners and saints - "Calvinism says that God forces people to do things against their will."

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://www.desiringgod.org/library/topics/doctrines_grace/tulip.html What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism] (Bethlehem Baptist Church Staff)
* [http://www.challies.com/archives/000758.php Defining My Terms: Calvinist And Reformed], by Tim Challies
* [http://Tulipedia.org Tulipedia.org]
* [http://www.reformed.org Reformed.org]
* [http://www.monergism.com Monergism.com]
* [http://www.shepherdserve.org/calvinism/calvin_intro.htm The Five Points of Calvinism Considered], by David Kirkwood
* [http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/calvinism.html Calvinism Critiqued by a Former Calvinist], by Steve Jones
* [http://www.reformedpraise.org/ Reformed Praise] A Great Site For Free And Biblical Songs!

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Theology]]

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[[Category:Reformed]]
[[Category:Protestant]]

Enuma Elish

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{{quote | text=When in the height heaven was not named, and the earth beneath did not yet bear a name, and the primeval Apsu, who begat them... [[Text:Enuma Elish|Full text of the Enuma Elish]].}}
{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = The Enuma Elish
[[Image:Enuma elish.jpg|thumb|center|A ancient tablet containing some of the Enuma Elish]] |
subtopics = [[Creation]], [[Creation Stories Index]]
* [[Text:Enuma Elish|1906 English Translation of the Enuma Elish]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

The Enûma Eliš is the Mesopotamian creation epic. It was first discovered by modern scholars (in fragmentary form) in the ruined library of [[Ashurbanipal]] at [[Nineveh]] ([[Mosul]], [[Iraq]]).

The Enûma Elish has about a thousand lines and is recorded in Akkadian on seven clay tablets. The majority of Tablet V has never been recovered, but aside from this lacuna the text is almost complete.

This epic is one of the most important sources for understanding the Babylonian worldview, centered on the supremacy of [[Marduk]] and the existence of mankind for the service of the gods. Its primary original purpose is to elevate Marduk, the chief god of [[Babylon]], above other Mesopotamian gods.

The Enûma Elish has existed in various versions and copies from [[Babylonia]] as well as from [[Assyria]]. The version from Ashurbanipal's library dates to the 7th century BC. The story itself probably dates to the eighteenth century BC on account of the fact that this is the time when the god Marduk seemed to have a prominent status. Some scholars date it later (14th to 12th centuries BC).

===Summary of the myth===

The epic names three primeval gods: Apsu, the fresh water, Tiamat, the salt water, and their son Mummu. Several other gods are created (Ea and his brothers) who reside in Tiamat's vast body. They make so much noise that it annoys Tiamat and Apsu greatly. Apsu wishes to kill the young gods, but Tiamat disagrees. Mummu, agrees with Apsu's plan to destroy them. Tiamat, to stop this from occurring, tells Ea (Nudimmud), at the time the most powerful of the gods, who, using magic, puts Apsu into a coma and kills him, and shuts Mummu out. Ea then becomes the chief god, and along with his consort Damkina, has a son, Marduk, greater still than himself. Marduk is given wind to play with and he uses it to make dust storms and tornadoes. This disrupts Tiamat's great body and causes the gods still residing inside her to be unable to sleep.

They persuade Tiamat to take revenge for the death of her husband. Her power grows, and some of the gods join her. She creates 11 monsters to help her win the battle and elevates Kingu, her new husband, to "supreme dominion." A lengthy description of the other gods' inability to deal with the threat follows. Ultimately, Marduk is selected as their champion against Tiamat, and becomes very powerful. He defeats and kills Tiamat, and forms the world from her corpse. The subsequent hundred lines or so constitute the lost section of Tablet V.

The gods who sided with Tiamat are initially forced to labor in the service of the other gods. They are freed from their servitude when Marduk decides to slay Kingu and create mankind from his blood. Babylon is established as the residence of the chief gods. Finally, the gods confer kingship on Marduk, hailing him with fifty names. Most noteworthy is Marduk's symbolic elevation over Enlil, who was seen by earlier Mesopotamian civilizations as the king of the gods.

===Comparing [[Genesis 1]] with the Enuma Elish===

[[Genesis 1]] gives the Biblical account of [[creation]]. Some major points of difference between the Enuma Elish and Genesis 1 are
* There were many gods in the Enuma Elish; there is only one God in Genesis
** Apsu the primordial god begat with Mummi-Tiamat all the gods in the Enuma Elish
** Marduk created the sky and earth with body parts of another god that he had vanquished
* Humans were created to do the work of gods in the Enuma Elish; humans are given great importance in Genesis
** Marduk creates man to serve the gods: "a savage man I will create; he will be charged with the service of the gods"
** There is a high view of humans in Genesis, with God giving authority to man
* Creation is good in Genesis; some of creation was evil in the Enuma Elish
** [[Genesis 2:2]] reveals that all that God created was good
** In the Enuma Elish, some things created are evil, for example monster-serpents are borne by Mother Hubur
* Genesis shows structure and order to creation; the Enuma Elish does not
** In Genesis we are shown a picture of a purposeful creation
** In comparison, there is a very chaotic picture of creation in the Enuma Elish, where creation is often due to begetting - for example, wind was begot by another god

These points of difference may be significant, in that many Christian scholars feel that they reveal that God was trying to reveal specific points to the Israelites about creations. For example, that he wanted to reveal that he was the only creator.

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish Wikipedia - Enuma Elish]
* [http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm The full surviving text of the Enûma Elish]

{{returnto}} [[Genesis 1]]

Year

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__NOTOC__
==Synopsis==

A year is the time it takes for the earth to fully orbit the Sun - approximately 365 days. History is traditionally divided in the West into the years before and [[Jesus]]' birth - AD and BC. Many churches have specific church services and [[Bible]] readings based on the date, a system known as the [[Christian calendar]].

==Contents==

{{also}} {{ebd}}

{{topics}}
* [[Church history]] | [[Timeline of church history]] | [[Before Christ]] | [[Anno Domini]]
* [[Christian calendar]]

==Main article==

A year is the time it takes for the earth to fully orbit the Sun - approximately 365 days.

History is traditionally divided in the West into the years before and [[Jesus]]' birth - AD and BC. AD - Anno Domini (In the year of our Lord) is now sometimes referred to as CE - Common Era. BC - Before Christ is now sometimes referred to as BCE - Before the Common Era.

Many churches have specific church services and [[Bible]] readings based on the date, a system known as the [[Christian calendar]].

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini Wikipedia - Year]

{{returnto}} [[Church history]]

Book of Haggai

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Haggai |
subtopics = The prophet [[Haggai]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}}
* [[Haggai, Book of (EBD)|Easton's Bible Dictionary entry on the Book of Haggai]] |
}}

{{chapters}}
[[Haggai 1|1]]
[[Haggai 2|2]]

==Commentary==

The Book of Haggai is a book of the [[Old Testament]] written by the prophet [[Haggai]]. It consists of two brief, comprehensive chapters where the prophet urges the people to proceed with the rebuilding of the second [[Jerusalem]] temple in 520 BC after the return of the deportees.

===Authorship===

===Background===

===Themes===

==Quotes==

==Links==

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Bible]] -> [[Old Testament]] -> [[Prophetic Books of the Old Testament]]

[[Category:Books of the Old Testament]]
[[Category:Prophetic Books of the Old Testament]]
[[Category:Commentary]]

Evangelism

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Evangelism |
subtopics = [[Matthew 28:19]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
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Evangelism is the process of spreading the good news about Jesus. All Christians are called to do this (see for example [[Matthew 28:19]]).

===Etymology===

The word is derived from the [[Koine Greek]] word [[evangelion]], which means "good news".

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://www.missionresources.com/eweb.html Web Evangelism]
* [http://www.lightlinks2000.com/Evan2.htm Evangelism links]
* [http://www.his-net.com/html/evangelism.html His-Net Evangelism links]

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Cecil B. DeMill

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Cecil Blount DeMille (August 12, 1881 – January 21, 1959) was one of the most successful filmmakers during the first half of the 20th century. DeMille directed dozens of films, including [[The Ten Commandments (movie)|The Ten Commandments]].

===Biography===

====Early life====

DeMille was born while his parents were vacationing in Ashfield, Massachusetts to Henry Churchill DeMille (1853-1893), an Episcopal lay minister and playwright from North Carolina, and Matilda Beatrice Samuel (1853-1923), who was born to a Sephardic Jewish family in England but converted to her husband's faith. DeMille grew up in Pompton, New Jersey and attended Pennsylvania Military College in Chester, Pennsylvania beginning at the age of 15. He had an older brother, William, and a younger sister who died in childhood, Agnes, after whom William's famous daughter was named.

====Career====

DeMille directed dozens of silent films, including Paramount Pictures' first production, The Squaw Man (1914), before coming into huge popularity during the late 1910s and early 1920s, when he reached the apex of his popularity with such films as Don't Change Your Husband (1919), The Ten Commandments (1923), and The King of Kings (1927).

Though most commonly referred to by the press as DeMille with a capital "D", DeMille preferred and even signed his checks as "deMille" with a small "d". DeMille's business address for most of his career was 2010 DeMille (capital "D") Drive, Hollywood, California (which is actually in the adjacent Los Angeles neighborhood of Los Feliz). In either case, the persona of the larger than life showman was reinforced by such affectations and his status as an icon thrived.

Cecil B. DeMille had a keen eye for talent and was known for being an instrumental catalyst for the rising status of many a struggling or unknown actor. Actor Richard Dix's best-remembered early role was in the silent version of Demille's The Ten Commandments. Richard Cromwell owed his 1930s movie fame in part to being personally selected by DeMille for the role as the leader of the youth gang in Demille's poignant, now cult-favorite, This Day and Age (1933).

DeMille displayed a loyalty to certain supporting performers, casting them over and over in his pictures. They included Henry Wilcoxen, Julia Faye, Joseph Schildkraut, Ian Keith, Charles Bickford, Theodore Roberts, Akim Tamiroff, and William Boyd. He also cast leading actors such as Claudette Colbert, Gloria Swanson, Gary Cooper, Jetta Goudal, Robert Preston, Paulette Goddard, and Charlton Heston in multiple pictures. He was not known as a particularly good director of actors, often hiring actors whom he relied on to develop their own characters and act accordingly.

DeMille also had a reputation for being a tyrant on the set, and he despised actors who were not willing to take physical risks, such was the case with his dissatisfaction with the casting of Victor Mature in Samson and Delilah, as Mature refused to wrestle the lion, even though the lion was tame and had its teeth pulled (he remarked that Mature was "100% yellow"). Her refusal to risk personal injury in a scene involving fire in Unconquered cost Paulette Goddard her director's favor, and probably a role in The Greatest Show on Earth. He was, however, adept at directing "thousands of extras," and many of his pictures include spectacular set pieces, including the parting of the Red Sea in both versions of The Ten Commandments, the toppling of the pagan temple in Samson and Delilah, train wrecks in Union Pacific and The Greatest Show on Earth, and the destruction of a zeppelin in Madame Satan. He knew what the movie-going public wanted, and gave it to them over and over.

DeMille was one of the first directors in Hollywood to become a celebrity in his own right, performing as himself, long before the likes of Erich von Stroheim and Alfred Hitchcock made it fashionable. From 1936 to 1944, DeMille hosted and even acted as pitchman for Cecil B. DeMille's Lux Radio Theater, which was one of the most popular dramatic radio shows at the time. Gloria Swanson immortalized DeMille with the oft-repeated line, "All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up" in Billy Wilder's Sunset Boulevard, wherein DeMille played himself.

While he continued to be prolific throughout the 1930s and 1940s, he is probably best known for his 1956 film The Ten Commandments (which is very different from his 1923 film by the same title). Also representative of his penchant for the spectacular was the 1952 production of The Greatest Show on Earth which gave DeMille an Oscar for best picture and a nomination for best director.

Near the end of his life, DeMille began pre-production work on a film biography of Lord Baden Powell, the founder of the Boy Scouts, and had asked David Niven to star in the film; the film was never made. He asked his son-in-law, actor Anthony Quinn, to direct a remake of his 1938 film The Buccaneer; although DeMille served as executive producer, he was very unhappy with Quinn's work and tried unsuccssfully to remedy the situation. Despite a good cast led by Charlton Heston and Yul Brynner, and some impressive battle scenes, the film was a disappointment.

====Personal life====

DeMille married Constance Adams on 16 August 1902 and had one child, Cecilia. The couple adopted Katherine Lester in the early 1920s; her father had been killed in World War I and her mother had died of tuberculosis. Katherine married Anthony Quinn. They also adopted two sons, John and Richard.

During on-location filming in Egypt of the exodus sequence for 1956's [[The Ten Commandments (1956 film)|The Ten Commandments]], the then 73 year-old DeMille climbed a 107-foot ladder to the top of the massive Per Rameses set and suffered a near fatal heart attack. Miraculously, aided by his daughter Cecilia, but against his doctor's orders, he was back directing the film within a week. DeMille's mansion in Wayne, New Jersey was recently demolished, although the gatehouse has been transformed into a modest-size home, currently occupied by Ryan Ward, the famed child actor from the Academy Award-nominated film Far From Heaven.

Cecil B. DeMille died of heart failure in January 1959 and was interred in the Hollywood Forever Cemetery in Hollywood, California. At the time of his death, he was negotiating to direct the remake of Ben-Hur for MGM, and was planning to direct a movie about space travel.

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_B._Demille Wikipedia - Cecil B. DeMille]

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Job

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Job was a man whose story is told in the [[Book of Job]] in the [[Old Testament]].

===Theology===

===Views on historicity===

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==Quotes==

==Links==

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Talk:Christian wikis

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== Kathpedia ==
May I add Kathpedia to the Wikilist? http://www.kathpedia.com/ We are a German catholic wiki. --[[User:Benedikt|Benedikt]] 00:15, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

: Of course you may. Good luck with it. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 00:19, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

::Thx. I thought it would be polite to ask before since it is my first edit on this wiki. --[[User:Benedikt|Benedikt]] 11:32, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

== Strength in numbers ==

WikiChristian slowly continues to grow which is wonderful, as do some other wikis. In the past various people have talked about how to bring about growth in Christian wikis and how to combine them without any resolutions or effective strategies. I wanted to open up the discussion again. As a side note, I notice that [[Theopedia]] and [[OrthodoxWiki]] are doing really well these days in terms of numbers and articles - so well done to the guys over there! One of the strengths of theopedia and orthodoxwiki are that they are designed for a very specific sub-section of Christianity - Reformed (i.e. Calvinist Protestantism) and Eastern Orthodox. But this is also a one of their weaknesses - they are less open to discussion and allowing views of other Christians to be voiced. Regardless, well done Theopedia and OrthodoxWiki - may God continue to bless your good work. But for those not part of the theopedia or OrthodoxWiki teams this discussion about Christian wikis should stay very much in our focus. Basically I have a few questions that I reckon deserve some consideration and comments over the coming months. Of course, if we really consider Christian wikis important in documenting knowledge about God and what he has communicated and is communicating to the world, then we should also pray about these things...
* Is there a way that the various Christian wikis could combine into one? I know division has been a major feature of Christianity for 2,000 years and so I guess it's asking a lot. Should we even pursue a course of trying to get Christian wikis to combine? There are obvious advantages but what are the disadvantages? If we were to pursue combining then should this be done on a one-by-one basis and how is this done in a way that is respectful?
* Are there ways of attracting more visitors to WikiChristian in the hope that people will begin to contribute more?
* Are there ways of inviting people specifically to help work on WikiChristian? Friends? Advertising? How?
* Are there other Christian wikis out there that we don't know about that are talking about how they can bring about growth?
* How do we encourage contributions with people adding actual content (and not just copying content from elsewhere) rather than just neatening up the wiki? (I'm all for neatening up the wiki and I think it is great the cleaning up that has been happening. I'm also all for getting more and more original content and depth of knowledge and insight into the wiki)

Thanks. Look forward to comments - hopefully a few people comment over the following months. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 02:51, 18 October 2008 (PDT)

: I've recently added Google Adword for ReformedWord.org I think the kinds of people who would use these wiki once they're very good are legion, but the people who want to edit and work on them is much smaller. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 04:26, 18 October 2008 (PDT)

:: Pity. Still wikipedia seems to draw in a lot of people who edit and work on articles. How does Google Adwords work? Does it cost money? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 06:12, 18 October 2008 (PDT)

::: 5 USD up front. Then you set a monthly budget (suggested min. 50 USD) and they limit your placement so as to shoot below that. You pick keywords for pages and searches and track how many are displayed and/or clicked on. This is a Starter Account, which forces you to pick '''one''' country to display in.
::: As for Wikipedia, as the Christian point-of-view become more and more marginalized, perhaps Christians will begin looking for something better... --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 17:26, 18 October 2008 (PDT)

:::Well all I'm from a new bible wiki of sort, [[BibleFootnotes]]. And I'd like to add a couple thoughts here about combining our efforts. I've been following the biblewiki world for a while seeing the difficulty and division that has been there. Perhaps one way that we can all work together is to each find different areas that we can focus on so that we're not all doing the same thing. Several wikis seem to be bible commentary. We think we might have made some progress in how to make a collaborative commentary a little more usable and would love for all of you to check it out and give us your feedback. We think some of the reason that bible commentary wikis haven't caught on is that they're too difficult to use. We've tried to do a little something different. If you like what you see, each of these Christian wikis could start specializing into different projects. Thoughts?:::

: God bless you. In my humble opinion, public domain or CC (only attribution) allows more solidarity since the texts can be used anywhere. For example I cannot copy the texts of WikiChristian, ReformedWord, OrthodoxWiki, CreationWiki neiter Conservapedia in fe.pasosdeJesus.org --just beginning. However I could copy and I would prefer to contribute with Theopedia (public domain). You also could use the translation to spanish of the gospels in the public domain (I'm working on that and I pray to God for direction and His help): http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12501 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12500 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12502 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/12503 Vladimir Támara. 07:56 COT Jan 3 2009

:: I don't understand. First you say PD and CC are good and then you say WikiChristian,Reformed Word, Orthodox Wiki aren't great, when they are GFDL and CC (SA-A) respectively. Which is it? Do you mean only PD is good? You can copy stuff as long you footnote it. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 05:13, 4 January 2009 (PST)

==See also==
[[Talk:Christian wikis/discussion]]

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God

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God is the central being of all existence. He is eternal in that he has no beginning and no end. In the [[Genesis 1|first chapter of the first book]] of [[Bible]] an account is given of God creating the universe and the earth and creating people in his own image. The Bible also reveals that God is full of [[God is forgiving|mercy]] and [[God is love|love]] (for example [[1 John 4:8]]. Millions of people in the world trust in God as their master and Lord and also their saviour. He is a personal being, who is three in one - [[God the Father|Father]], [[Jesus Christ|Son]] and [[Holy Spirit]]. the Bible also reveals that God stands ready to come into any person's life when that person acknowledges him and repents of having not lived his way - this is when a person is [[born again]].

===[[Character of God]]===

Although the mere existence of God can be deduced by natural reason his nature is beyond our understanding. He gives life to all and he is the author of love and forgiveness. [[John 1:4]] describes this beautifully:
: ''{{Bible verse|John|1|4|lang=WEB}}''

God is also completely [[holy]] and without any evil. At the same time God is forgiving and merciful and full of love.

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===[[Trinity]]===

The Trinity is the Christian [[doctrine]] (or teaching) that describes the three-in-one (triune) nature of God. Although impossible to fully grasp, the Bible reveals that there is one and only one God, and also that the [[God the Father|Father]] is God, and yet [[Jesus]] the Son is God, and also the [[Holy Spirit]] is God. That is, there is one God who eternally exists in three distinct persons.

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==Quotes==

Sri Aurobindo, in ''Thoughts and Aphorisms''
: A God who cannot smile could not have created this humorous universe.

Robertson Davies in ''Conversations''
: A man who recognizes no God is probably placing an inordinate value on himself.

Albert Einstein
: Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish

Benjamin Franklin
: God heals, and the doctor takes the fee.

[[C.S. Lewis]]
: God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.
: God will look to every soul like its first love because He is its first love.
: If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will...then we may take it it is worth paying.

Galileo Galilei (1564 ~ 1642)
: I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use, giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through them.

Yiddish proverb,
: If God lived on earth, people would break his windows.

J.R.R. Tolkien
: If you do not believe in a personal God the question: `What is the purpose of life?' is unaskable and unanswerable.

Thomas Jefferson
: It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

Immanuel Kant
: Reason can never prove the existence of God.

Emily Dickinson
: They say that God is everywhere, and yet we always think of Him as somewhat of a recluse.

Catherine Doherty
: With God, every moment is the moment of beginning again.

Unknown source
: You can live without God, but you better not die without him.

[[Romans 5]]:7-8
: {{Bible verse|Romans|5|7|lang=WEB}} {{Bible verse|Romans|5|8|lang=WEB}}

[[1 John 4:16]]
: God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.

[[1 John 1:5]]
: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

[[Exodus 3:14]] (King James Version)
: God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

[[Isaiah 45]]:5-7 (King James Version)
: I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Spike Milligan
: And God said, 'Let there be light' and there was light, but the Electricity Board said he would have to wait until Thursday to be connected.

Woody Allen
: If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank.
: How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the roller of an electric typewriter?

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God Wikipedia - God]
* [http://www.theopedia.com/God Theopedia - God]

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Apostles

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The word Apostle is from the [[Greek]] "απόστολος" ([[apostolos]]) which means "a messenger". The twelve apostles were [[Jesus]] disciples who were sent forth by Jesus to preach the [[Gospel]] to both Jews and Gentiles across the world.

The subject of what an apostle is and what qualifications are required is debated today. In one sense, all Christians are messengers or apostles of the gospel. However, the term apostle is generally viewed as a special title reserved for the 12 disciples of Jesus and Matthias (who replaced Judas) and Paul. There are a number of churches that use the term apostle for contemporary leaders.

===The 12 Apostles===

===Matthias===

===Paul===

===Apostolic authority and succession?===

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==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://en.wikpedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Apostles Wikpedia - Twelve Apostles]
* [http://www.theopedia.com/Apostle Theopedia - Apostle]

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:''The WikiChristian project page detailing wiki-vandalism and how to deal with it.''

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# {{:KJV:Genesis 10:29}}
# {{:KJV:Genesis 10:30}}
# {{:KJV:Genesis 10:31}}
# {{:KJV:Genesis 10:32}}
|}
|}

{{Infobox Contents |
topic_name = Genesis 10 |
subtopics = |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

== Verses ==

[[Genesis 10:1|1]] [[Genesis 10:2|2]] [[Genesis 10:3|3]] [[Genesis 10:4|4]] [[Genesis 10:5|5]] [[Genesis 10:6|6]] [[Genesis 10:7|7]] [[Genesis 10:8|8]] [[Genesis 10:9|9]] [[Genesis 10:10|10]] [[Genesis 10:11|11]] [[Genesis 10:12|12]] [[Genesis 10:13|13]] [[Genesis 10:14|14]] [[Genesis 10:15|15]] [[Genesis 10:16|16]] [[Genesis 10:17|17]] [[Genesis 10:18|18]] [[Genesis 10:19|19]] [[Genesis 10:20|20]] [[Genesis 10:21|21]] [[Genesis 10:22|22]] [[Genesis 10:23|23]] [[Genesis 10:24|24]] [[Genesis 10:25|25]] [[Genesis 10:26|26]] [[Genesis 10:27|27]] [[Genesis 10:28|28]] [[Genesis 10:29|29]] [[Genesis 10:30|30]] [[Genesis 10:31|31]] [[Genesis 10:32|32]]

== Commentary ==

{{stub}}

==Quotes==

==Links==

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Bible]] -> [[Genesis]]

Genesis 41

2008-12-26T01:09:49Z

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|}
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{{Infobox Contents |
topic_name = Genesis 41 |
subtopics = |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}

== Verses ==

[[Genesis 41:1|1]] [[Genesis 41:2|2]] [[Genesis 41:3|3]] [[Genesis 41:4|4]] [[Genesis 41:5|5]] [[Genesis 41:6|6]] [[Genesis 41:7|7]] [[Genesis 41:8|8]] [[Genesis 41:9|9]] [[Genesis 41:10|10]] [[Genesis 41:11|11]] [[Genesis 41:12|12]] [[Genesis 41:13|13]] [[Genesis 41:14|14]] [[Genesis 41:15|15]] [[Genesis 41:16|16]] [[Genesis 41:17|17]] [[Genesis 41:18|18]] [[Genesis 41:19|19]] [[Genesis 41:20|20]] [[Genesis 41:21|21]] [[Genesis 41:22|22]] [[Genesis 41:23|23]] [[Genesis 41:24|24]] [[Genesis 41:25|25]] [[Genesis 41:26|26]] [[Genesis 41:27|27]] [[Genesis 41:28|28]] [[Genesis 41:29|29]] [[Genesis 41:30|30]] [[Genesis 41:31|31]] [[Genesis 41:32|32]] [[Genesis 41:33|33]] [[Genesis 41:34|34]] [[Genesis 41:35|35]] [[Genesis 41:36|36]] [[Genesis 41:37|37]] [[Genesis 41:38|38]] [[Genesis 41:39|39]] [[Genesis 41:40|40]] [[Genesis 41:41|41]] [[Genesis 41:42|42]] [[Genesis 41:43|43]] [[Genesis 41:44|44]] [[Genesis 41:45|45]] [[Genesis 41:46|46]] [[Genesis 41:47|47]] [[Genesis 41:48|48]] [[Genesis 41:49|49]] [[Genesis 41:50|50]] [[Genesis 41:51|51]] [[Genesis 41:52|52]] [[Genesis 41:53|53]] [[Genesis 41:54|54]] [[Genesis 41:55|55]] [[Genesis 41:56|56]] [[Genesis 41:57|57]]

== Commentary ==

{{stub}}

==Quotes==

==Links==

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Bible]] -> [[Genesis]]

Koine Greek: Alphabet

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{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Greek Alphabet |
subtopics = [[Hebrew: Alphabet]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
}}
The Koine Greek alphabet consists of 24 letters. All Greek was originally written in upper case, without spaces between words, and without added punctuation, but today, most texts are are written in lower case, with punctuation and spaces between words.

===Alphabet===

Below is a table showing the letters.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
! Letter name !! Lower Case !! Upper Case !! Transliteration !! Pronunciation
|-
| alpha || α || Α || a || father
|-
| beta || β || Β || b || beta
|-
| gamma || γ || Γ || g || gamma
|-
| delta || δ || Δ || d || delta
|-
| epsilon || ε || Ε || e || epsilon
|-
| zêta || ζ || Ζ || z || zêta
|-
| êta || |η || Η || ê or ē || obey
|-
| thêta || θ || Θ || th || thêta
|-
| iota || ι || Ι || i ||
|-
| kappa || κ || Κ || k || kappa
|-
| lambda || |λ || Λ || l or L || lambda
|-
| mu || μ || Μ || m || mu
|-
| nu || ν || Ν || n || nu
|-
| xi || ξ || Ξ || ks || axiom
|-
| omicron || ο || Ο || o || omicron
|-
| pi || π || Π || p || pi
|-
| rho || ρ || Ρ || r || rho
|-
| sigma || σ / ς || Σ || s || sigma
|-
| tau || τ || Τ || t || tau
|-
| upsilon || υ || Υ || u sometimes y || oops
|-
| phi || φ || Φ || ph || father
|-
| chi || χ || Χ || ch ||
|-
| psi || ψ || Ψ || ps ||
|-
| omega || ω || Ω || ô or ō || obey
|}

===Diphthongs===

{| class="wikitable"
! Diphthong
! Pronunciation
|-
! ΑΙ
| 'ai' as in aisle
|-
! ΕΙ
| 'ei' as in freight (identical to 'Η')
|-
! ΟΙ
| 'oi' as in oil
|-
! ΑΥ
| 'ow' as in sow
|-
! ΟΥ
| 'oo' as in fool
|-
! ΥΙ
| 'ooe' as in gooey
|-
! ΕΥ
| '''*'''
|}

: '''*''' 'ευ' is both hard and controversial. There is some evidence to suggest that is was pronounced 'ew' (as in "Ew, that's gross!") or simply 'yu'. What has been taught for ages, however, is 'eh-oo', as sound not present in English.

There are also version of several vowels with a small iota underneath (or beside in the case of capitols): ᾼ ᾳ, ῌ ῃ, ῼ ῳ. It is believed that these represent ancient diphthongs, but the pronunciation is not altered in the time of any Greek writing we can know.
: ''We have chosen not to include ι-subscripts on '''WikiChristian''', partly because most browsers display them incorrectly.''

===Accents===

There are three possible accents that can be put on Greek vowels: the acute <big>´</big>, the grave (pronounces 'grahv') <big>`</big> and the circumflex. The circumflex should like an upside crescent over the vowel, but some fonts use the caron (<big>^</big>) or even the tilde (<big>~</big>). It is thought the these different symbols represented rising and falling pitch, like modern Chinese, but by the time of our literature, they only indicate accent or stress.

* ἀρχῇ - ar'''xē'''
* λόγος - '''lo'''gos

Over the initial syllable of word that begins with a vowel, there will always be either a rough (<big>‘</big>) or a smooth (<big>’</big>) breathing sign. Rough means a 'h' sound and smooth means a lack of extra sound. A 'Ρ' (Rho), in the initial position, also taking a breathing sign, typically the rough. How precisely this altered pronunciation is not known.

: ''We also do not include accents here on '''WikiChristian''', since it would make searches extremely difficult, and also, because most browsers don't render them correctly.''

===Punctuation===

{{stub}}

==Quotes==

==Links==

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Bible]] -> [[Koine Greek]]

[[Category:Koine Greek]]

2 Thessalonians 1

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{{Infobox Contents |
topic_name = 2 Thessalonians 1 |
subtopics = |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}} |
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== Verses ==

[[2 Thessalonians 1:1|1]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:2|2]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:3|3]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:4|4]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:5|5]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:6|6]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:7|7]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:8|8]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:9|9]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:10|10]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:11|11]] [[2 Thessalonians 1:12|12]]

== Commentary ==

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Mary's perpetual virginity - a Coptic perspective (W. Hanna)

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{{box | text=A letter by William Hanna from January 2, 1996.}}

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Dear Rev. R. Stewart:

One of our members listens to your radio program regularly. She really enjoys your presentations and your knowledge of the Word of God. However, she was offended by your references to the Virgin St. Mary. We are members of the Coptic (Egyptian) Orthodox Church. According to Orthodox tradition (passed from generation to generation), Mary the mother of Christ did not marry. She gave birth to Jesus while she was virgin. And after she gave birth, she remained virgin. With the help of God, I will try to point out some scriptures. I pray you see it the same way. God bless you and enrich your ministry:

[[Psalms 45]]:10-11
: “Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him.”

We believe that this verse from Psalms is a reference to Mary, from the seed of David. She forgot her own people, her desires, because the King, the Lord God, desired her inner beauty and choose her to become the mother of the Logos.

[[Isaiah 7:14]]
: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

The verse is self evident, the virgin gave birth to Immanuel, God With Us. She is the mother of God

[[Ezekiel 44]]:2-3
: “Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall
enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.”

The gate here is a symbol of the womb of Mary, the LORD, the God of Israel, entered into the world by it; therefore it shall be shut, give birth no more.

[[Luke 1]]:34-38
: “Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. .. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.”

The angel explained to her that the holy thing born of her, shall be called the Son of God. Consequently, she is the mother of God. She replied I am the maiden (Arabic aamah meaning slave) of God. does only what pleases her master, God Al-Mighty.

[[Luke 1]]:41-44
: “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary is blessed among women, she is not like every one else. She has a special position. Elizabeth calls her “the mother of my LORD”. The mother of God.

[[Luke 1]]:46-50: “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Mary’s prophecy: “all generations shall call me blessed.” This verse is important to ponder, because some of our dear Protestant brothers do not call her blessed.

[[Matthew 12]]:47-50
: “Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

Here if we accept literally that he had brothers in the flesh, then we loose the meaning that you and I and her are his brothers, sisters, and mothers.

[[Matthew 13]]:55-57
: “Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.”

Literal interpretation of this verse is even more dangerous, because if you call James and Jose his brothers, why not call Joseph the Carpenter his father. This would deny us all our salvation: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” ([[John 3:16]]). So in order to remove the confusion we have to accept the spiritual instead of the literal interpretation of the Gospel. Jesus is not the Son of the Carpenter, James and Jose are not his brothers in the flesh.

The scripture never affirms the relation of James and Jose to Christ. The Jews thought they were his brothers, like they thought that Joseph the Carpenter was his father. They were mistaken. Because if they new his real identity, they would not have crucified him.

In the Middle East, where I come from, cousins are considered sisters and brothers. Uncles and Aunts are considered parents. That does not mean that they literally are. My nephews call me Dad.

The Orthodox Church tradition states that after Mary were dedicated, her parents had another daughter whom they named Mary also. This Mary was married to Cleophas: [[John 19:25]]: ”Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.” This other Mary the sister of the Virgin Mary is the mother of those mentioned above”

My dear brother in Christ, I hope you study this humble letter, and ask the [[Holy Spirit]] of God to clear this matter for you. I ask the Lord to give you and me a better understanding of the scriptures, and at the end to have an inheritance with him in the Glory of His Father. Thank you, and God Bless.

Yours In Christ,

Deacon William A. Hanna, Ph.D.

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1 Thessalonians 3

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== Verses ==

[[1 Thessalonians 3:1|1]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:2|2]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:3|3]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:4|4]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:5|5]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:6|6]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:7|7]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:8|8]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:9|9]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:10|10]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:11|11]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:12|12]] [[1 Thessalonians 3:13|13]]

== Commentary ==

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All Things are Possible (lyrics)

2008-12-26T01:09:05Z

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''A song by [[Darlene Zschech]]''

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Almighty God, my redeemer

My hiding place, my safe refuge

No other name like Jesus

Now power can stand against you

My feet are planted on this rock

And I will not be shaken

My hope, it comes from you alone

My Lord and my salvation

Your praise is always on my lips

Your word is living in my heart

And I will praise with a new song

My soul will bless you Lord

You fill my life with greater joy

Yes I delight myself in you

And I will praise you with a new song

My soul will bless you Lord

When I am weak you make me strong

When I'm poor, I know I'm rich

For in the power of your name

All things are possible

All things are possible

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British Columbia

2008-12-26T01:08:57Z

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'''British Columbia''' is a province located in western [[Canada]].

===History===

===Geography===

===Peoples===

===Economy===

===Politics===

===Religion===

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[[Category:Americas]]
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User talk:Theologian

2008-12-26T01:08:04Z

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==Welcome!==

Hi, Theologian, and welcome to WikiChristian! Thanks for your contributions, and if you need help with anything or have any suggestions or comments, I'm available pretty much every day of the week. Again, welcome! -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 14:30, 31 March 2007 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAvxvNrSdI&feature=related

http://www.ligonier.org/donate_currentprojects.php

[[User:Theologian/workarea2]] (site requesting link from)

[[User:Theologian/workinprogress]]

[[User:Theologian/workarea]]

[[User:Theologian/sandbox2]] (general help)

[[User:Theologian/vmresource]]

[[User:Theologian/bloginfo]]

[[User:Theologian/EvangelismEffectiveness]]

==Head Admin==

That would be [[User:Prab|Prab]] :-) The best way of getting in touch with him is probably email; his email address is on his user page. -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 09:49, 30 November 2007 (EST)
:::Thanks. [[User:Theologian|Theologian]] 12:11, 30 November 2007 (EST)

== Vandals ==

Yeah, I've done some thought on that. I've "banned" a lot of vandals [[:Category:Banned users|before in the past]], but I have recently adopted the view to be more lenient. The last guy (Jesusiscool, or something like that?) I blocked for a month; plenty of time for him to totally forget about us. Also, when the block finally does expire, it will no longer clog up the block list. I don't know, I just think that a little mercy may be a good thing. Perhaps we could all poll our opinions together and come up with a definate blocking policy... :-) -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 16:38, 27 December 2007 (PST)

==Unclear==

Hello. I'm just a little unclear at why you've posted much of what you've posted. I think it would be a good idea if you would get rid of the content that was not specifically related to Christainity. The pages that I'd include in this category are: [[User:Theologian/bloginfo]], [[User:Theologian/sandbox2]], [[User:Theologian/sandboxarea]]. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 03:16, 27 July 2008 (PDT)
:::Graham grove, I spoke on the phone to the owner of this website and he approves of these spaces as they are being used for a good purpose. Namely, they are being used by a Christian organization and some people to spread Christianity. I did, however, remove this space as I think it is best if I track this material elsewhere: [[User:Theologian/sandboxarea]]. [[User:Theologian|Theologian]] 04:46, 27 July 2008 (PDT)

:::: Thanks for your response. I appreciate that you cleared the sandboxarea. Cheers. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 04:54, 27 July 2008 (PDT)
:::::::Your welcome. By the way, you are the third Aussie I have come in contact with today! Today, all my experiences with Aussies were good experiences. [[User:Theologian|Theologian]] 04:59, 27 July 2008 (PDT)

:::::::: How about that?! Where are you from? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 05:51, 27 July 2008 (PDT)
:::::::::I am what you Aussies call a yank. :)

==Thanks==

Hi. Thanks for adding some content. That's great. I did remove one sentence because it didn't seem to fit too well and I wasn't sure what you were getting at. If you're keen on keeping the particular idea of that sentence in the article perhaps you could make some suggestions of what the text might read as in the talk page? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 01:58, 7 September 2008 (PDT)
::Thanks for your courteous message. Looking back, I think you made a good call. No big deal. Here is a humorous thing to remember whenever you make a mistake: Even Babe Ruth struck out sometimes. [[User:Theologian|Theologian]] 02:01, 7 September 2008 (PDT)

User:Theologian

2008-12-26T01:07:25Z

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HI!

User:Theologian/EvangelismEffectiveness

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Teachings of Jesus

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[[Jesus]] was a truly amazing teacher. Even by non-Christians he is recognized as this. He taught about the [[love]] and [[forgiveness]] and [[mercy]] of [[God]] and challenged us to love in the same way.

During the last few years of Jesus' earthly life, he travelled the country-side of Judea and Galilee (now modern-day Israel and Palestine) teaching the local people about God. With him travelled a number of followers or disciples. 4 separate written accounts of Jesus' life and teaching of this time survive today, and are included in the [[Bible]] as the 4 Gospels - [[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]], [[Gospel of Mark|Mark]], [[Gospel of Luke|Luke]] and [[Gospel of John|John]]. Not only did Jesus teach about God's love and forgiveness, he also taught about his own identity and mission, revealing himself to be the [[Messiah]], God's Son who was ushering in a new kingdom, the [[Kingdom of God]]. One of Jesus' most significant points was that it was only through him that a person could come to know God, and that this would be through the suffering and death of Jesus.

One of the most famous records of the teaching of Jesus is found in the [[Gospel of Matthew]] and is known as the [[Sermon on the Mount]]. In this discourse, Jesus taught his followers the ethics that those who have received God's mercy and grace will live by. Calling his followers to "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect" ([[Matthew 5:48]]) Jesus asked them to love not only their friends, but also their enemies, to repay evil with good, and to not seek material wealth but to trust God.

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Martin Luther King, Jr.

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'''Martin Luther King, Jr.''' (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968) was a Christian, an African American clergyman, activist and prominent leader in the American civil rights movement. His main legacy was to secure progress on civil rights in the United States and he is frequently referenced as a human rights icon today.

A Baptist minister, King became a civil rights activist early in his career. He led the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott and helped found the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in 1957, serving as its first president.

King's efforts led to the 1963 March on Washington, where King delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech. There, he raised public consciousness of the civil rights movement and established himself as one of the greatest orators in U.S. history.

In 1964, King became the youngest person to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to end racial segregation and racial discrimination through civil disobedience and other non-violent means. By the time of his death in 1968, he had refocused his efforts on ending poverty and opposing the Vietnam War, both from a religious perspective.

King was assassinated on April 4, 1968, in Memphis, Tennessee. He was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977 and Congressional Gold Medal in 2004; Martin Luther King, Jr. Day was established as a U.S. national holiday in 1986.

==Quotes==

For famous quotations related to the topic

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==Links==
* [http://www.civilrightsmuseum.org/ National Civil Rights Museum]
* [http://www.writespirit.net/inspirational_talks/political/martin_luther_king_talks/ Dr Martin Luther King Jr Speeches from WriteSpirit.net]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr. Wikipedia.org entry]

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Liturgical year

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* Roman Catholic - [[Advent]], [[Christmas]], [[Epiphany]], [[Lent]], [[Holy Thursday]], [[Good Friday]], [[Easter]], [[Feast of the Ascension]], [[Pentecost]], [[Ordinary Time]]
* Eastern Orthodox - [[Feast of Cross]], [[Nativity Fast]], [[Nativity]], [[Theophany]], [[Great Lent]], [[Pascha]], [[Pentecost]], [[Transfiguration]], [[Dormition]], [[Intercession]]
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The liturgical year (or Christian calendar) consists of the cycle of liturgical seasons in some Christian churches which determines when commemorations, festivals and feasts are to be observed and which portions of the [[Bible]] are to be read. The dates of the festivals vary somewhat between the Western and Eastern churches.

==Quotes==

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Calendar Wikipedia - Liturgical year]

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Essence of Christianity]] -> [[Living as a Christian]]

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Genesis 5

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== Verses ==

[[Genesis 5:1|1]] [[Genesis 5:2|2]] [[Genesis 5:3|3]] [[Genesis 5:4|4]] [[Genesis 5:5|5]] [[Genesis 5:6|6]] [[Genesis 5:7|7]] [[Genesis 5:8|8]] [[Genesis 5:9|9]] [[Genesis 5:10|10]] [[Genesis 5:11|11]] [[Genesis 5:12|12]] [[Genesis 5:13|13]] [[Genesis 5:14|14]] [[Genesis 5:15|15]] [[Genesis 5:16|16]] [[Genesis 5:17|17]] [[Genesis 5:18|18]] [[Genesis 5:19|19]] [[Genesis 5:20|20]] [[Genesis 5:21|21]] [[Genesis 5:22|22]] [[Genesis 5:23|23]] [[Genesis 5:24|24]] [[Genesis 5:25|25]] [[Genesis 5:26|26]] [[Genesis 5:27|27]] [[Genesis 5:28|28]] [[Genesis 5:29|29]] [[Genesis 5:30|30]] [[Genesis 5:31|31]] [[Genesis 5:32|32]]

== Commentary ==

{{stub}}

==Quotes==

==Links==

{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Bible]] -> [[Genesis]]

User talk:Kathleen.wright5

2008-12-26T01:04:00Z

Aquatiki: Reverted edits by SantaClausCameOnYourMom (Talk); changed back to last version by DavidSpencer.ca

== Welcome ==

Hi Kathleen. Thanks for you contributions. --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 03:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Hello Kathleen. It's nice to see a fellow Adelaidean editing at WikiChristian. Would you like put a link for your church in the [[Churches in Adelaide Index]] section? --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 03:54, 5 November 2007 (EST)

: (I read your reply to [[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]]). I agree, that the spam filter is a bit annoying isn't it? I'm not sure how to change it, but I guess we just work around it. I'm intrigued by your statement that "I am a Christian but I don't go to church because some people that go to church are hypocrites." - I'm not offended in any way, I'm just intrigued. Could you expand a little? --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 05:08, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Hi Kathleen. Thanks for your contributions so far. I notice that you removed some of the "red" links in different articles. I think that its worth keeping these red links in, because eventually they be editted and new pages will be created. So rather than removing red links, it may be better to add content to them. Oh, by the way, have you seen: [[WikiChristian:Beliefs]]? --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 15:16, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hi. Yes I've seen the Vietnamese pages. Someone worked on them some time ago. I think they are passages from the Bible. I'm happy to leave it for the moment, and see if someone continues to work on it in the future. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:21, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for putting all the clean-up tags. Unfortunately it still doesn't solve the problem. For example, I've deleted the givemepink page for About Moore College, but if you search for "Moore College" it still appears. The problem appears to be related to the single slash (/) and the double slash (//). --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 21:29, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Okay, I've worked out a way of getting rid of the files with the // as well. It takes a little time, but I'll get there over the next few weeks. --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 22:05, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks by the way for the work you are doing. You might have noticed that there are different styles of pages. Currently we are working on changing all the pages to the standard style that is described at [[Wikichristian:Page Layout]]. We would love for you to help us change some of the older pages into this style. Note that this style is for the main article for a topic; it doesn't apply for opinion articles (see [[Wikichristian:Opinion articles]] for information about these). --[[User:Muser|Muser]] 22:18, 10 November 2007 (EST)

== Re: Vandalism Reverting ==

Hi Kathleen! Thanks for removing the vandalism of the funny looking animal-thing from those pages. Where do people come up with this stuff? Actually, a better question is ''why'' do they come up with it?

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that next time you revert vandalism, make sure you don't just blank the page; if you do that, then all the work previously made on that page will be erased, and someone has to go back and revert again to the last non-vandalised version. If only one vandal edit has been made to the page, just use the "undo" button found in the page's history. If two or more vandal edits have been made to the same page, then:

#Click "History" at the top of the article,
#Click the date of the last non-vandalised version,
#Click "edit the page" when the page opens,
#Type in an edit summary such as "reverted vandalism" and then click save.

God bless! -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 04:31, 21 December 2007 (PST)

:We cleaned it all up; there was plenty of it :-) Just another immature kid, by the sounds of it. Thanks for your help. -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 17:28, 13 January 2008 (PST)

== Dead Sea and WikiProject Invitation ==

Hi Kathleen,

Sorry I took so long in acting upon your message. To be honest, I didn't see it until just today. I can't think how I missed it, especially for so long. Instead of deleting [[Dead Sea]], I thought it would just be better to redirect it to [[Dead Sea (EBD)]]. And I left Graham Grove a reminder about your invitation. You still wanted me to, right? God bless! -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 19:13, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

== Category Problem ==

Hi Kathleen,

Again, sorry for the delayed response :) I think the problem with the Template Category showing up on articles is because, since the whole template is transcluded, the categories are moved onto the articles as well. The way to fix it would be to go to the ''template'' page and put the following code around the category link:

<code><nowiki><noinclude>[[Catgeory:NAME]]</noinclude></nowiki></code>

Whatever is between the two "no include" tags will not be transcluded to the articles the template is used on. I tried it with [[WikiChristian:Video of the day]] and it worked; the main page is no longer in the video of the day category :)

Now, I know on your Wikipedia user page it says you do not want to be an admin, but I think you could really help out here with the extra tools (working on the protected templates, deleting all the spam articles you're always coming across, etc.). Would you like me to make you a sysop?

God bless! -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 19:30, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

P.S. -- I moved the CKB article on [http://christianity.wikia.com/wiki/Bible_trivia Bible trivia] into Category:Bible.

:Okay, you're now an admin. The sysop tools are pretty straightforward and easy to use (and no, you don't have to read any specific policies). The only thing that may seem difficult at first is blocking; but if you follow the instructions at [[Special:Blockip]], you'll get it :) Reading the various admin-related pages on Wikipedia obviously couldn't ''hurt'', though. I'm not sure how to fix the template problem at the CKB, but I'll look into it. Anyways, thanks for those sites you recommended :)

:Feel free to protect any pages in your user-space if you want, except your talk, obviously :) And don't feel shy about using the sysop priviledges. If you make a mistake, it ''can'' be undone (contrary to what everyone on Wikipedia says, but what do they know?).

:God bless, [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 02:26, 22 May 2008 (PDT)

:P.S. You don't need to bother with semi-protection, as IP's can't edit WikiChristian any more anyways.

::I can't seem to find a way around the category problem; first off, noincluding the templates doesn't seem to remove the articles from the categories (for some crazy reason), and second the articles' formatting gets all screwed up. I think we should just remove the Category:Template thing altogether. It's unfortunate, but I think it's the only thing to do. I've already tried every wiki formatting trick I know :( And yeah, if rollback will help speed up your various tasks, feel free to use it :) -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 18:02, 22 May 2008 (PDT)

== Returnto ==

Hi Kathleen. Thanks for all your organizing work. Could you however please keep all the of the returnto sections at the end of a page. Remember that this is not wikipedia and has some differences. Take a look at [[Wikichristian.org:Page Layout]] section. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 01:01, 25 May 2008 (PDT)

: Hi Kathleen. I think the problem has been solved by putting the "noinclude" section into the return to template. I just edited [[A Mighty Stronghold is our God (song)]] - before I editted it, it was in the Categories:Template page, but after saving it, it no longer was. I think each page with "returnto" in it just needs to be resaved for it to disappear from the Categories:Template page. Hope this helps. Cheers. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 03:12, 25 May 2008 (PDT)

==Congrats!==

...on blocking your first vandal :) Just one thing though, make sure that when you use a block template on the vandal's talk page that you "subst" the template. This puts less load on the server, and also enables the automatic signature feature to work in the template (so you don't have to sign any block templates). Thanks a ''bunch'' for all the cleanup you've been doing!!! It means so much to everyone at WikiChristian :) God bless! -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 00:58, 6 June 2008 (PDT)

:P.S. -- Particulary, thanks for removng the givemepink crap. I got your email, and yes, those redirects are very time-consuming and tiring to get rid of! :) -- 01:00, 6 June 2008 (PDT)

==Latest Vandalsim==

Hi Kathleen, don't bother using rollback on the latest vandalism ("love from ebaums"), because it will just revert to more vandalism. The vandal, whoever he is, is obviously using a script to vandalize an article with one account, then vandalize it again with another account, thus causing rollback to only revert to the first vandal edit. I'm going to go around other wikis and ask how we can prevent this from happening again. In the mean time, we just have a lot of boring manual reverting to do. -- [[User:P.B. Pilhet|P.B. Pilhet]] / [[User talk:P.B. Pilhet|Talk]] 17:59, 9 June 2008 (PDT)

== Good job! ==
Hey there. I noticed all the work you did lately and I must say, great job! Helping add categories to pages help the navigation of our wiki. Nice to see you around helping our wiki for others. :-) Keep it up! God bless, [[User:RyanCross|Ryan†Cross]] ('''''[[User talk:RyanCross|talk]]''''') 09:41, 31 July 2008 (PDT)

== Template:Tnavbar ==

Hi, this is my first day here.

[[Template:Tnavbar]] has a bug in it, but I do not know how to fix it. It creates an unneeded "" in my use of it in [[Template:Denominations in the United States Index‎]]. No one else uses Tnavbar yet at www.wikichristian.org but I did not create it.--[[User:Carlaude|Carlaude]] ([[User talk:Carlaude|talk]]) 01:06, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

::I can edit most templates, and make some templates-- but Tnavbar, is just too complex for me.
::Do you think one is any better/bigger/different than the other?--[[User:Carlaude|Carlaude]] ([[User talk:Carlaude|talk]]) 09:54, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

: I can speak to that. I am presently working on the whole [[Template:Navbox]] ... thing. It is not working like Wikipedia yet and I can't figure out why. I ''am'' trying, but I suggest not being dependent on it, quite yet. For a working example of collapsible tables, see [[Template:Bible versions]]. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 01:24, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

::Thanks.--[[User:Carlaude|Carlaude]] ([[User talk:Carlaude|talk]]) 09:54, 6 August 2008 (PDT)

== Thanks for your ongoing work ==

Kathleen, thanks for your ongoing work at fixing up the vandalism. You're doing brilliantly. Much appreciated. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 03:00, 7 August 2008 (PDT)

== Thanks for clean, but did you know that ... ==

you don't have to bother with the verse pages (i.e. Ezra 7:1, etc.) or the text pages (Template:Mark 1:1 (WEB), etc.) if you don't want to, because they're about to be written over. [[User:BotUm]] is overwriting all of them but it will take the next fortnight to be all done. Keep going if you want to, but they're all gonna be gone or overwritten soon. Thanks for all your hard work! Respectfully, [[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 17:16, 7 August 2008 (PDT)

== EBD names ==

Hi Kathleen. You've been doing a great job on the Easton's Bible Dictionary pages. Well done and thank you. You might want to look at [[Talk:Easton's Bible Dictionary‎]] and put your two cents worth in. By the way, this won't undo any of your work at all - because everything will be redirected; furthermore, eventually BotUm can redo the links that you've already done so they don't need to redirect. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 14:38, 3 October 2008 (PDT)
: I see Graham has beaten me to the punch, but I wanted to let you know that I can redo all the links in EBD pages quite easily. I'll wait to a majority of pages are moved over, then I'll run it once. Then, after they're all over, I'll run it again. Then, we can delete all the redirects. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 20:47, 15 October 2008 (PDT)

== Clean-up Project ==

Hi Kathleen. Thanks once again for the great work you have been doing with the Easton Bible Dictionary wikifying! You might want to take a look at [[WikiChristian:Clean-up]] to see some of the changes that are happening at WikiChristian at the moment. This especially concerns you because Easton Bible Dictionary pages are being moved. It'd be great if you would like to help out with the moving of these pages. By the way, by moving them, we won't lose any of the hard work you've done because of the automatic redirects that occur when you move a page. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 12:14, 8 October 2008 (PDT)

== Good Work ==

Well done Kathleen. Thanks for sorting out the technical problems with WikiChristian. And brilliant work getting rid of the Matthew Henry Commentary pages! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham grove]] 10:26, 10 October 2008 (PDT)

== EBD ==

Hi Kathleen. Since there are over 3,000 EBD pages, I've figured out that it will take a long time to move them all. If you, me and Aquatiki all moved 10 a day, then in 100 days we'd have them all moved. I'm going to start with the letter M (for no particular reason - purely random) and work from there. If you like to join me and choose another letter, go for it. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 06:47, 17 October 2008 (PDT)

== Importing ==

Hi Kathleen. Good work with everything you've been doing. When importing articles from other sources you might want to consider a few extra things - these are only suggestions: (1) rewording them so that they fit WikiChristian CPOV (2) reformatting the page so that it fits [[WikiChristian:Page Layout]] (3) adding a link in the appropriate page / index and add the <nowiki>{{returnto}}</nowiki> feature. Anyway, keep up the good work. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 08:16, 22 October 2008 (PDT)

== Wow - Good work ==

Good work Kathleen. I'm impressed at the amount of page moements you've done! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 12:19, 24 October 2008 (PDT)

== Server fixed ==

Server has been fixed. Spoke with a tech guy who sorted the problem out. Thanks Kathleen for bringing it to my attention. Graham. --[[User:121.45.219.180|121.45.219.180]] 01:10, 25 October 2008 (PDT)

== Good stuff ==

Wow. Keep up the good work in moving those EBD pages Kathleen. At this rate they'll all be moved by the end of the year! --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 09:17, 3 November 2008 (PST)

== Impressive ==

Wow. You've continued to move the EBD pages at a rate of knots. Well done and thank you for your dedication. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 03:29, 13 November 2008 (PST)

You're not human, are you? I can't imagine androids with your kind of stamina and devotion. I'm glad you're on our team! Way to go and thanks for your hard work! --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] 13:51, 15 November 2008 (PST)

== I may have made some mistakes ==

I was moving Greek:Name of page to Koine Greek:Name of page and I think I may have made some mistakes deleting some redirect pages to 'inflections' as on the [[WikiChristian:Clean-up]] page and that were on this page (now deleted completely) Special%3AAllpages&from=Wisdom+of+Solomon&namespace=102. I was trying to get them out of the Greek Bible Namespace - more also on following page written in Greek. See Deletion Log for today (November 18) for details. [[User:Kathleen.wright5|Kathleen.wright5]] 03:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

: No problems. It would probably be handy to hold off on doing any thing for the Greek stuff at the moment. Robert and I haven't quite figured out the best way to do the Greek stuff. I think in the end we were thinking of putting all of the individual Koine Greek words in the Greek name-space because they are probably the sort of articles that people who click on "Random page" don't want to come across - but I can see that that hasn't been updated into the Clean-up page. So don't worry about any of the Greek stuff - Robert and I will sort that out. And anything that has been lost is not a huge deal - so don't worry about that. But thanks for letting me know though. By the way, brilliant work on moving all of the EBD stuff. Well done. Thanks. --[[User:Graham grove|Graham]] 07:56, 18 November 2008 (PST)

==Thanks Kathleen==
* Thanks for your help in maintaining the WikiChristian.org on the pages I have added. I am bringing over 215 pages about [[:Category:Media Workers in Canada|Media Workers in Canada]] from [http://www.christianmedia.ca/wiki/index.php/Category:Member_of_ChristianMedia.ca ChristianMedia.ca] --[[User:DavidSpencer.ca|DavidSpencer.ca]] 00:08, 24 December 2008 (PST)
* Hi Kathleen Please read this [[Christian_Media_Worker_Registration_on_WikiChristian|join and list]] on WikiChristian page to see if it makes sense for new users. Thanks. --[[User:DavidSpencer.ca|DavidSpencer.ca]] 13:32, 25 December 2008 (PST)

Theology

2008-12-23T01:19:57Z

Aquatiki: Reverted edits by 96.233.47.66 (Talk); changed back to last version by 209.79.171.204

{{Infobox_Contents |
topic_name = Theology |
subtopics = [[Christian Doctrine and Debates Index]]
* [[Practical theology]], [[Systematic theology]], [[Historical theology]], [[Biblical theology]], [[Natural theology]]
* [[Prolegomena]], [[Bibliology]], [[Theology Proper]], [[Christology]], [[Pneumatology]], [[Anthropology]], [[Soteriology]], [[Ecclesiology]], [[Eschatology]]
* [[Kingdom of God]]
* [[Theos]], [[God]] |
opinion_pieces = {{short_opinions}}
}}

Theology is the study of the nature of [[God]]. In a Christian context, theology is the attempt to know God more fully by gaining a rational understanding of God's [[revelation]] (chiefly found in the [[Bible]]).

===Classification===

Theology is sometimes classified or divided in a number of ways.

====[[Practical theology]]====

Practical theology seeks to find pastoral applications of biblical truths for the [[Church]] and the modern day person.

====[[Systematic theology]]====

Systematic Theology deals with organizing what the entire Bible says about a particular area of theology. For example, when one is studying biblical theology he may study what faith means in [[Galatians]], the [[New Testament]], or even what it meant to [[Augustine]]. However, in systematic theology one would seek to understand what the entire Bible (often including general revelation) teaches about [[faith]] or any other area of theology.

====[[Historical theology]]====

Historical theology intergrates the thoughts of other Christians throughout the centuries since the times of the Bible.

====[[Biblical theology]]====

"Biblical theology seeks to discover what the biblical writers, under divine guidance, believed, described, and taught in the context of their own times". It is based first and foremost on the [[Bible]] itself. Biblical theology assumes that the canon was provided by the [[Holy Spirit]] through the instrumentality of human authors.

===Concepts===

==Quotes==

''[[C.S. Lewis]] in [[Mere Christianity (book)|Mere Christianity]]''
: Everyone reads, everyone hears things discussed. Consequently, if you do not listen to [[Theology]], that will not mean that you have no ideas about [[God]]. It will mean that you have a lot of wrong ones—bad, muddled, out-of-date ideas.

==Links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology Wikipedia - Theology]
* [http://www.teamtruth.com/articles/articlesbycategory.htm#SYSTEMATICTHEOLOGYOUTLINES Systematic Theology Outlines- TEAM Ministry]
{{returnto}} [[Christianity]] -> [[Christian doctrine and debates]]
[[Category:Christian doctrine and debates]]

Famous Christians Index

2008-12-22T01:18:09Z

Aquatiki: look at the history, we already had reverts for schiavo

__NOTOC__

{{christians_box}}

==A==

[[Adam]]

[[Athanasius]]

[[Augustine]]

==B==

[[Billy Graham]]

[[Børre Knudsen]]

[[Phineas Bresee|Bresee, Phineas]]

[[F.F. Bruce|Bruce, F.F.]]

[[John Bunyan|Bunyan, John]]

==C==

[[William Carey|Carey, William]]

[[Cecil B. DeMill]]

[[Constantine I]]

[[Thomas Cranmer|Cranmer, Thomas]]

==D==

[[Dwight Lyman Moody]]

==E==

[[Jonathan Edwards|Edwards, Jonathan]]

==F==

[[Kirk Franklin]]

==G==

[[Billy Graham|Graham, Billy]]

==H==

[[Bethany Hamilton|Hamilton, Bethany]]

==I==

[[Irenaeus]]

==J==

[[Jonathan Edwards]]

[[J.B. Phillips]]

[[John Bertram Phillips]]

[[John Bunyan]]

[[John Wimber]]

[[John Wycliffe]]

[[Justin Martyr]]

==K==

[[Børre Knudsen|Knudsen, Børre]]

==L==

[[C.S. Lewis|Lewis, C.S.]] ([[C.S. Lewis|Clive Staples Lewis]])

[[Martin Luther|Luther, Martin]]

==M==

[[Dwight Lyman Moody|Moody, Dywight Lyman]]

[[Martin Luther King, Jr.]]

[[Martin Luther]]

==N==

==O==

==P==

[[Apostle Paul|Paul the apostle]]

[[Apostle Peter|Peter the apostle]]

[[John Bertram Phillips|Phillips, J.B.]]

[[Phineas Bresee]]

==Q==

==R==

[[Ravi Zacharias]]

==S==
[[Terri Schiavo|Schiavo, Terri]]

==T==

[[Hudson Taylor|Taylor, Hudson]]

[[Terri Schiavo]]

[[Terry Virgo]]

[[Thomas Cranmer]]

==U==

==V==

==W==

[[William Carey]]

[[John Wimber|Wimber, John]]

[[John Wycliffe|Wycliffe, John]]

==X==

==Y==

==Z==

[[Ravi Zacharias|Zacharias, Ravi]]

{{returnto}} [[Famous Christians]]
[[Category:Indexes]]
[[Category:Famous Christians]]

User:RockOfVictory

2008-12-20T08:30:53Z

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I've been exploring several MediaWiki-based resources lately and am trying to help the community [http://christianity.wikia.com/wiki/Christianity_Knowledge_Base:Community_Portal#An_open_letter_to_users_and_administrators_of_the_various_different_Christian_wikis consolidate information] so we're not doing a lot of redundant work with resources.

I keep shifting from one [[Christian wikis|Christian wiki]] site to another, mainly in an effort to glean the best aspects of each site and discuss how we can centralize the content more effectively. As of July 2006, my method is generally:
#'''Wikipedia''' ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RockOfVictory user page]) content-editing since it has the largest audience and potential for me to be a [[witness]] to the masses.
#'''Refine the mechanics''' of Christian wikis. I've hesitated to contribute much content yet since I'm still exploring which sites can do what. I've focused a lot on '''Wikible''' ([http://www.wikible.org/en/User:RockOfVictory user page]) so far since Biblical studies is one of my main interests. Occasionally, I may add content to WikiChristian or other more specific Christian wikis if the material is not suitable for Wikipedia.

My personal website is ''[http://zepfanman.com/beta Zepfanman.com]: When you can't find it on Google''; boasts a gallery, hundreds of link resources, and a blog matching the wide variety of my interests, including a monthly Bible entry.

==Notice==
While I appreciated the openness of WikiChristian, the [[Special:Version|site software]] hasn't been updated in a while. [http://theopedia.com Theopedia] is based on a Reformed perspective, but as far as I'm concerned, this site is just as restrictive in its beliefs. I'm going to explore Theopedia a little more now since [[Special:Contributions/RockOfVictory|my efforts here]] in the past week haven't been very fruitful. --[[User:RockOfVictory|J. J.]] 13:53, 4 August 2006 (PDT)

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Reflections Index

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{{box | text=This page is for links to personal and famous reflections and poetry.}}
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[[Image:Lily_01_sm.gif|thumb|Reflections]]

==B==

[[The Bible in 50 words|Bible in 50 Words, The]]

==G==

[[God's Resume in Your Life]]

==H==

[[How have we grown? (Anonymous)|How have we grown?]]

==L==

[[Light looked down and beheld darkness]]

==O==

[[One solitary life]]

==T==

[[The Truth About the Christian Faith (Mar Odisho, 1298 C.E.)|Truth About the Christian Faith (Mar Odisho, 1298)]]

==W==

[[When my love for Christ grows weak]]

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